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No strain for Goku.
Who wins?
Who wins?
I don't really see a difference between being slightly below half and slightly over half. Trunks wasn't any sort of help against 17/18, and he's well over half their strength.Fantastische Hure said:Yeah, I can't see Kuririn being helpful against Freeza, if he's significantly below even half of 1st Form Freeza's power.
Probably, and it could be argued Vegeta was going to do most of the work but only if Vegeta really planned to defeat Freeza as he was. I mean I can see Kuririn helping-out against 1st Form Freeza even if he was way, way below him, since even Jeice could do that for Captain Ginyu but Vegeta planned to fight 2nd Form Freeza who he probably knew was going to be much higher so Kuririn's power had to be of some use against an even stronger Freeza.SuperSaiyan2 said:I don't really see a difference between being slightly below half and slightly over half. Trunks wasn't any sort of help against 17/18, and he's well over half their strength.Fantastische Hure said:Yeah, I can't see Kuririn being helpful against Freeza, if he's significantly below even half of 1st Form Freeza's power.
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Besides, Gohan himself isn't even confident in his own power, and he is stronger than Krillin. He's clearly in agreement with Vegeta that they have gotten stronger, but he clearly isn't too confident about the situation overall.
Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”
He continually stutters when talking about the situation, so he acknowledges that Freeza is still miles away from himself.
Fair point, but that's their future powers and not their current powers.But Vegeta was also banking on their powers still rising, so that can be taken into account too
We don't know that for sure.SuperSaiyan2 said:Vegeta also planned for him to only have a Zarbon-like increase in power.
That's high. The highest I've seen people put him is probably around 300,000 at best, but I like that high.Six Trails said:I have Krillin at 360,000, so Goku gets a foot through his chest. He'd need a Kaioken x4 to match Krillin.
We don't know that for sure.SuperSaiyan2 said:Vegeta also planned for him to only have a Zarbon-like increase in power.
We don't but it seems logical considering he doesn't think much of the potential transformation.Six Trails said:I have Krillin at 360,000, so Goku gets a foot through his chest. He'd need a Kaioken x4 to match Krillin.
We don't know that for sure.SuperSaiyan2 said:Vegeta also planned for him to only have a Zarbon-like increase in power.
Honestly, that line seems to imply that Vegeta thinks Freeza can't possibly get much higher. He even says he's bluffing. I guess it's inconceivable to him.SuperSaiyan2 said:We don't but it seems logical considering he doesn't think much of the potential transformation.Six Trails said:I have Krillin at 360,000, so Goku gets a foot through his chest. He'd need a Kaioken x4 to match Krillin.
We don't know that for sure.SuperSaiyan2 said:Vegeta also planned for him to only have a Zarbon-like increase in power.
Chapter: 296 (DBZ 102), P2.1-3, P3.1
Context: still talking about Freeza’s transformations
Vegeta: “Don’t be scared, he’s bluffing…he won’t change that much.”
Freeza: “Oh, is that right? Look vee—eery closely then. This isn’t something you get to see very often. Even when I attacked Planet Vegeta, where the Saiyans lived, and fought with the king, I was able to win without any need to transform whatsoever…Vegeta…your father wasn’t anything special.”