Kaioshin vs Android 17
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Kaioshin in one blow. Whether he's weaker than Base Saiyans or not, him being Android 17 level just seems incredibly underwhelming for one of the highest ranking Gods of the universe.
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Base Saiyans >> Shin is pretty difficult to argue against and they themselves can't be several times above #18 based on the kids' performance against both her and Gohan/Vegeta. Unless Shin can skilfully use his telekinesis or summon Katchin as projectiles without getting hit, #17 takes this.
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Kaioshin breathes 17 out of existence. He's way above Piccolo, who should be able of dismantling #17 with one shot.
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Super Saiyan said:
Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo resigns from his and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next.”
Note: Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. You can find a lot of instances of people being described as in “a different dimension” throughout these quotes, like Tenshinhan talking about Super Saiyan Goku, or the narrator describing final form Freeza. In Viz the line is made vaguer (“He is a different order of being”), which makes it sound like Piccolo could just be talking about how Kaioshin is a super-god, rather than about his strength per-say. Anyway, though Piccolo is pretty much flat-out saying Kaioshin is way stronger than him here, you could still argue that he's either mistaken or lying...I guess.
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Yes it is.
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Super Saiyan said:
Different Dimension = powa
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Tbh, different dimension could also work in the context of hierarchy -- Shin belongs to a different dimension from Piccolo, a mortal. The ranks are too different.
Maybe by "that much, Piccolo?" Goku meant other things rather than power? "That much?", as in, the feeling of insecurity was that much? The uneasiness besides such a being was that much? And then Kuririn acts freaked out, which again could work with something other than power -- if this mysterious dude is supposed to be someone even more bizarre, more unpredictable and likely not even from this world, it stands to reason he'd be freaked out.
Now it seems that Vegeta couldn't estimate Shin's power... but is that the same as feeling no chi signature from him? What if someone argued that while Vegeta and co. couldn't sense Shin's power, Piccolo could since he obviously had more intel on Shin than anyone there -- therefore he could get a feeling for Shin's Godly status AND chi?
All things to ponderate when analysing the Piccolo vs Shin debacle.
Maybe by "that much, Piccolo?" Goku meant other things rather than power? "That much?", as in, the feeling of insecurity was that much? The uneasiness besides such a being was that much? And then Kuririn acts freaked out, which again could work with something other than power -- if this mysterious dude is supposed to be someone even more bizarre, more unpredictable and likely not even from this world, it stands to reason he'd be freaked out.
Now it seems that Vegeta couldn't estimate Shin's power... but is that the same as feeling no chi signature from him? What if someone argued that while Vegeta and co. couldn't sense Shin's power, Piccolo could since he obviously had more intel on Shin than anyone there -- therefore he could get a feeling for Shin's Godly status AND chi?
All things to ponderate when analysing the Piccolo vs Shin debacle.
