Kaioshin vs Pocus vs 18

[GSM123]

So, who wins?

 

[ahill1]

Kaioshin one-shots them both, if he isn't too scared of Pui Pui's M, that is.

 

[GSM123]

But Babidi expected Pocus to be able to beat everyone on the Ship. And what about Pocus vs 18?

 

[ahill1]

Babidi is an idiot. I don't think he knows how strong Kaioshin is.

#18 defeats Pui Pui mid difficulties. I generally have thunder lips at SSJ Vegeta's (androids saga) level.

 

[Flame]

Supreme Kai takes this imo

 

[withheldforprivacy]

What fine writing demands: Kaioshin>>>18>>>Pocus
What the story implies: 18>>>Pocus>=Kaioshin

 

[GSM123]

Why would Babidi send someone who Shin can one shot go fight? Shin was supposed to be fighting along with the saiyans, and Babidi thought Pocus could beat them.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why would Babidi send someone who Shin can one shot go fight? Shin was supposed to be fighting along with the saiyans, and Babidi thought Pocus could beat them.

Can a three fighters who are weaker than Pocus be able to fill Boo's meter? Because that's what Babidi thought.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Can a three fighters who are weaker than Pocus be able to fill Boo's meter? Because that's what Babidi thought.

Babidi said he couldn't take Shin or Kibito's energy though, so nothing's really stopping Shin from going all out and wrecking Pui Pui if it were in his capabilities.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Can a three fighters who are weaker than Pocus be able to fill Boo's meter? Because that's what Babidi thought.

Babidi said he couldn't take Shin or Kibito's energy though, so nothing's really stopping Shin from going all out and wrecking Pui Pui if it were in his capabilities.

They just said that they can't use Kibito and Shin's energy which doesn't mean that Pocus can't beat them.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They just said that they can't use Kibito and Shin's energy which doesn't mean that Pocus can't beat them.

If Shin's energy can't be used, meaning the damage caused to him shouldn't apply, there's nothing to stop him from jumping in for the Saiyans and oneshotting Pui Pui, given his underestimation of the Saiyans. The fact that he didn't definitely calls into question any assumed superiority Shin could possess.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I just checked the manga again and Babidi told Dabura not to do anything on Kaioshin since he wants to do it by himself so its likely that Pocus wouldn't do any harm on Kaioshin either.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That would still give us the assumption that Babidi intended to sacrifice Pui Pui if Kaioshin was capable of stopping him, as I doubt Shin would just watch the Saiyans get killed by Pui Pui and just let him go, yet that's all it is; an assumption. This isn't the case, however, as upon seeing Shin enter the spaceship, Babidi had no change in demeanour in regard to Pui Pui and just told him to gather some energy, with Dabura even noting that they could probably gather the necessary energy from Stage 1. This wouldn't be a possibility if Shin was had the strength to defeat Pui Pui, as being immune to the method, there's no reason he'd just sit back and wait for Boo to be revived if the Saiyans were in trouble.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Does that really matter? Since both Dabura and Babidi thought that Pocus can get the job done with still being alive. Could it be that Babidi thought that Kaioshin would interfere but wouldn't be able to save the Saiyans.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If Shin can't interfere without saving the Saiyans, that'd only prove Shin isn't leagues above Pui Pui.

Futhermore, he stated he didn't think he'd be capable of beating Goku when they first met, yet said he never imagined the Saiyans would be so strong, suggesting that Base Vegeta >> SSJ Goku (expected) >/>> Shin, as well as suggesting neither Shin nor his estimations of Goku could've toyed with Pui Pui as badly as Vegeta did.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

That tells you how fucked up Kaioshin was and still on Super. Making a lot of estimation that proven to be false.

 

[GSM123]

Why would Babidi send someone who Shin can one shot go fight? Shin was supposed to be fighting along with the saiyans, and Babidi thought Pocus could beat them.

Can a three fighters who are weaker than Pocus be able to fill Boo's meter? Because that's what Babidi thought.

He though :bitch and Yamu collected energy from some random humans, so if some random humans can fill almost half of Buu's meter, why the strongest warriora of the planet can't fill the other half?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why would Babidi send someone who Shin can one shot go fight? Shin was supposed to be fighting along with the saiyans, and Babidi thought Pocus could beat them.

Can a three fighters who are weaker than Pocus be able to fill Boo's meter? Because that's what Babidi thought.

He though :bitch and Yamu collected energy from some random humans, so if some random humans can fill almost half of Buu's meter, why the strongest warriora of the planet can't fill the other half?

And still thought that weakling Pocus can get the job done?

 

[ahill1]

If Shin can't interfere without saving the Saiyans, that'd only prove Shin isn't leagues above Pui Pui.

Futhermore, he stated he didn't think he'd be capable of beating Goku when they first met, yet said he never imagined the Saiyans would be so strong, suggesting that Base Vegeta >> SSJ Goku (expected) >/>> Shin, as well as suggesting neither Shin nor his estimations of Goku could've toyed with Pui Pui as badly as Vegeta did.

Kaioshin's reaction to base Vegeta as well as stating he surpassed all of his expectations doesn't even make sense, considering he had just saw SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai and didn't seem all that impressed. Taking that reaction at face value, we'd have base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan (Budokai). I just think that Kaioshin reacted that way due to realizing they are also that strong in base, whereas previously he thought they strength all lied on SSJ. Oooorrr, because Kaioshin was under the impression that Pui Pui was a really strong warrior, Vegeta defeating him gave Kaioshit the false impression of base Vegeta being all that.

 

[GSM123]

Is it possible he thinks Gohan is the strongest one, though. This combines with Shin not being as impressed with Gohan vs Dabura as he was with Vegeta and Goku against Pocus and Yakon.