Kaioshin considers Pui Pui an opponent they need to team up against.
He knows how strong Pui Pui is?
It doesn't seem likely, both of their predictions are similar.
Absolutely not. Babidi expects Pui Pui to finish off all 3 Saiyans quickly (with some trouble potentially), but Kaioshin doesn't, he only urges them to fight together and not underestimate their opponent.
Again, Babidi and Dabura thought that the Saiyans were Earthlings, so to call their predictions similar is already a stretch based on that alone. You're also forced to assume that Babidi and Dabura know what Kaioshin is capable of (they don't).
The form isn't effected by the power suggestions made by both sides.
That isn't what I was saying. Babidi thinks the Saiyans are Earthlings; this relates to their race, not their form.
When Vegeta kills Pui Pui, Dabura comments that there was nobody like this on Earth 300 years ago. That is his baseline. Kaioshin knows better than he does.
No.
Pui Pui >>> Expected Saiyans
Sure, in Babidi and Dabura's minds. They're the only ones who know how strong Pui Pui is.
In Kaioshin's mind, it's Expected Pui Pui > Expected Saiyans. He doesn't know how strong Pui Pui is, and his "Expected Saiyan" is different from Babidi's "Expected Saiyan."
Babidi isn't wrong about Pui Pui being able to beat Kaioshin and 3 fighters superior to Kaioshin, all within a minute. He's right about this.
He's completely wrong. You have to ignore key portions of the manga to think otherwise. It is indisputable that he's wrong about this. Think back to Gurd vs Gohan and Kuririn, and imagine that Vegeta doesn't intervene. And don't tell me that Babidi isn't thinking of magic, because then you've shot your own argument in the foot.
No, since Kaioshin is equally in shock to Babidi, it shows that it's the Saiyans who exceed expectations, nothing else.
You're right that the point of the scene is only to show that the Saiyans exceed expectations...obviously, because Vegeta is the one who fought.
But then you've gone on to say that, because that was the only purpose of the scene, that Babidi must be correct in believing that Pui Pui would beat Kaioshin, or Kaioshin + 3 others. That isn't suggested anywhere. The focus of the scene was simply on something else, because the point of the story here is to wank the Saiyans off, but the conclusions you draw by taking in the entire context go beyond that basic takeaway.
Kaioshin is completely helpless, unable to even be of use helping out against Pui Pui or Yakon. He's as weak as they come.
He acts completely helpless. Big difference.
