SIAD said:I do not even know what to say, at least Victorious has even Krillin (BoZ)> Goku (TB23). I personally have Piccolo (TB23)> = Kami (BoZ)> Mr. Popo> = Tenshinhan (BoZ) >>> Kami (TB23). But I can change my mind if I read a good argument.
I very much agree with you, but we can not change the idea that Piccolo (weighted / BoZ) is 1,288x Tien (BoZ). In addition the same Tenshinhan in the anime said that a continued training and had already spent five years. Krillin and Gohan went from terrifying to find Reecome and Jeice, to be much more powerful than Captain Ginyu within hours.Animelover5487 said:SIAD said:I do not even know what to say, at least Victorious has even Krillin (BoZ)> Goku (TB23). I personally have Piccolo (TB23)> = Kami (BoZ)> Mr. Popo> = Tenshinhan (BoZ) >>> Kami (TB23). But I can change my mind if I read a good argument.
I doubt Tenshinhan surpassed Kami by the BOZ. Ten said that Kami and Piccolo surpassed a level that was even conceivable and this and the same guy who knew Goku was holding back when he defeated him and estimated that Goku's real power was much stronger than that.
Mountain training with Chaozu isn't going to close a gap like that.
SIAD said:I very much agree with you, but we can not change the idea that Piccolo (weighted / BoZ) is 1,288x Tien (BoZ). In addition the same Tenshinhan in the anime said that a continued training and had already spent five years. Krillin and Gohan went from terrifying to find Reecome and Jeice, to be much more powerful than Captain Ginyu within hours.Animelover5487 said:SIAD said:I do not even know what to say, at least Victorious has even Krillin (BoZ)> Goku (TB23). I personally have Piccolo (TB23)> = Kami (BoZ)> Mr. Popo> = Tenshinhan (BoZ) >>> Kami (TB23). But I can change my mind if I read a good argument.
I doubt Tenshinhan surpassed Kami by the BOZ. Ten said that Kami and Piccolo surpassed a level that was even conceivable and this and the same guy who knew Goku was holding back when he defeated him and estimated that Goku's real power was much stronger than that.
Mountain training with Chaozu isn't going to close a gap like that.
That is why the powers of Kami and Mr. Popo were REDCON, so I think Mr. Popo (DBZ)> = Tenshinhan (BoZ) >>> Kami (TB23).Animelover5487 said:SIAD said:I very much agree with you, but we can not change the idea that Piccolo (weighted / BoZ) is 1,288x Tien (BoZ). In addition the same Tenshinhan in the anime said that a continued training and had already spent five years. Krillin and Gohan went from terrifying to find Reecome and Jeice, to be much more powerful than Captain Ginyu within hours.Animelover5487 said:I doubt Tenshinhan surpassed Kami by the BOZ. Ten said that Kami and Piccolo surpassed a level that was even conceivable and this and the same guy who knew Goku was holding back when he defeated him and estimated that Goku's real power was much stronger than that.
Mountain training with Chaozu isn't going to close a gap like that.
The BOZ scouter gaps are irrelevant, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't keep specific numbers in his mind when he's thinking about these battles. Krillin and Gohan were under the effects of Guru's potential unlockment.
If humans could modify their powers in battle after training with Kami, why not Goku too? Goku said PiccoloSIAD said:But still, nothing implies that Goku had more than 416. Also when Piccolo their heavy clothes and power rose to 408 sack, Goku recognized that Piccolo had done hard training over the five years. Therefore >> 408 / >>> Piccolo (TB23).
Maybe Raditz didn't mention the increase when they started fighting because his mind was in the battle andAnimelover5487 said:Goku was trying to save his son's life. I don't see any reason why he would hold back any power, and if he was Raditz's scouter would have picked it up by the time they started fighting.
I don't believe there is any retcon here. Toriyama just doesn't keep numbers in his head.