Kamiccolo Boost

[SSJ2]

Is it always 2x? It works well in Namek, but I'm not a fan of it being used in the Android arc.

 

[ahill1]

I think it's implied to be 2x.

Saichourou: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth!”


The boost being 2x in the Androids saga works fine with me:


Kamiccolo 160
Android #17 160
Kamiccolo (weighted) 144
Android #18 140
Imperfect Cell 120
Vegeta SSJ 100
Goku SSJ 96
Trunks SSJ 90
Piccolo 80

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Do ya think Kamiccolo boost should be greater than Nail- Piccolo fusion?

 

[SSJ2]

It just doesn't fit in too well with my logic of Imperfect Cell >= Vegeta, and 18 being closer to Vegeta than what you have.

Kamiccolo: 150
Android 17: 150
Weighted Kamiccolo: 135
Android 18: 125
Imperfect Cell: 105-110
Vegeta: 100
Goku: 96
Trunks: 90
Piccolo: 75 (don't think he should be rivalling Trunks)


That's the best I can make with a 2x gap, it just feels off to me.

 

[ahill1]

Do ya think Kamiccolo boost should be greater than Nail- Piccolo fusion?

No. Kamiccolo boost would only put Piccolo at a level he could beat 1st form Freeza, and the Great Elder implied it to be 2x. Nail's boost would give Piccolo the edge against 2nd form Freeza and was stated by Nail that it would make Piccolo many times stronger.

 

[SSJ2]

@ahill1 where do you fit 19 and 20 on my or your list, pre and post. I don't see how to make it work if we include them, as well as Gero's implications.

 

[ahill1]

@ahill1 where do you fit 19 and 20 on my or your list, pre and post. I don't see how to make it work if we include them, as well as Gero's implications.

I generally have #19 (pre) in the middle of Trunks SSJ (Mecha saga) and Goku SSJ (Mecha saga). #19, while obviously weaker than sick Goku, was not a one-shot fodder and could track his movements, as well as dodge one punch. This is a 80/100 gap IMO. #20 (pre) I have at Yardrat Goku's SSJ level, that is, a bit stronger than #19 (pre), as himself implied.

#19 (post) and #20 (post) should be at sick Goku's level IMO, with #20 (post) having the edge and being able to kick the ass of Trunks from Mecha saga.

In my numbers:

Kamiccolo 160
Android #17 160
Kamiccolo (weighted) 144
Android #18 140
Imperfect Cell 120
Vegeta SSJ 100
Goku SSJ 96
Trunks SSJ 90
Piccolo 80
D. Gero (post) 68
#19 (post) 64
Goku SSJ sick 64
Yardrat Goku 56
#20 (pre) 56
#19 (pre) 52
Mecha saga Trunks 48

 

[SSJ2]

I can run with that, but I'd be forced to think that Gero's scouters are not accurate. I don't necessarily have an issue with that.

 

[Victorious]

Ahill's numbers are incredibly logical. They are the product of a supreme and beautiful mind.

 

[ahill1]

LOL

 

[SSJ2]

They're good, but how do you get Gero > SSJ Vegeta by absorbing suppressed Piccolo (2x), and the humans? Humans > Base Saiyans?

 

[Kyo]

Could just be that Gero would get close enough to Vegeta that he'd beat him the way 19 beat Goku.

 

[Papasmurf]

Could just be that Gero would get close enough to Vegeta that he'd beat him the way 19 beat Goku.

I usually just go by this as well. I always got the impression that an infinite energy type like #18 just blows anything an older type can achieve out of the water.

 

[SSJ2]

Could just be that Gero would get close enough to Vegeta that he'd beat him the way 19 beat Goku.

From Gero's perspective, he'd have to assume that Vegeta wouldn't be dumb enough to allow himself to be absorbed, especially considering the fuck up he made earlier (not filler, was it when he blasted Gero?). Even if he was able to get a hold of Vegeta for a moment, the Z Senshi would rush in and stop it.

 

[Victorious]

It's just 2 suppressed Piccolos OR 1 suppressed Piccolo and the humans + base Gohan. And the answer is you don't, Gero was full of crap. How can Ten, Krillin, and base Gohan take Gero from being fodder to FP Piccolo to comfortably ahead of SSJ Vegeta? It doesnt work.

 

[SSJ2]

I dunno, seems weird that he'd install a shittier scanner in himself than the one he used on a failed model.

 

[Victorious]

For it to work Ten, Krillin, and Gohan would each have to be about 1/5th as powerful as SSJ Vegeta.

 

[ahill1]

I think Gero was expecting himself to be actually stronger than SSJ Vegeta. He already knew Vegeta knew about the absorptions and I think he would expect Vegeta to be cautious about that, not like Goku, whi fired off a Kamehameha (though Vegeta was a bit reckless shotting that blast).

It's implied that all the humans and Piccolo (heavily suppressed) are still below base Vegeta, and you could not work with Gero statement unless you change the SSJ multiplier, otherwise Gero would be expecting to beat Vegeta by absorbing powers that are at less than 2% of his SSJ power.

 

[SSJ2]

Only realistic way that I see it working is to scratch the line about Base Vegeta making things more exciting, or at least not take it as a power statement. Raise suppressed Piccolo and it becomes easier. The SSJ multiplier would still need to shrink to a max of 10x.

Fuck it, throwing the statements away is easier, it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Kyo]

There's no way to make it work 100%. I feel like him getting "close enough" is the best route as far as keeping in as many statements as possible, personally.