Kamiccolo Boost

[Victorious]

Why throw away Gero's line about base Vegeta but accept his line about becoming stronger than SSJ Vegeta? The humans honestly have no business nor ever were in the same league as base Goku or base Vegeta, forget about being a significant portion of SSJ. Nothing should be different here. I'm not gonna nerf the SSJ boost to x5 either.

 

[ahill1]

Only realistic way that I see it working is to scratch the line about Base Vegeta making things more exciting, or at least not take it as a power statement. Raise suppressed Piccolo and it becomes easier. The SSJ multiplier would still need to shrink to a max of 10x.

Fuck it, throwing the statements away is easier, it just doesn't make sense.

Yea, I always tried to give Gero's credibility for that statement, but there's still Gero thinking that he would be able to beat Vegeta SSJ if he just steal more energy from a suppressed Piccolo, which is impossible IMO.

 

[Victorious]

The closest Krillin was ever to base Vegeta was on Namek and his power was 10,000 while Vegeta was at 30,000. That's the cloest he ever got.

 

[ahill1]

The closest Krillin was ever to base Vegeta was on Namek and his power was 10,000 while Vegeta was at 30,000. That's the cloest he ever got.

I think he might be even closer to Vegeta during the Freeza fight, before Vegeta got his super Zenkai.

 

[SSJ2]

Why throw away Gero's line about base Vegeta but accept his line about becoming stronger than SSJ Vegeta? The humans honestly have no business nor ever were in the same league as base Goku or base Vegeta, forget about being a significant portion of SSJ. Nothing should be different here. I'm not gonna nerf the SSJ boost to x5 either.

His statement on Base Vegeta isn't even a direct power statement in comparison to his line of becoming stronger than SSJ Vegeta.

Krillin could be arguably more than half of Base Vegeta when they were fighting First Form Freeza. You can't completely rule it out imo.

 

[Victorious]

The closest Krillin was ever to base Vegeta was on Namek and his power was 10,000 while Vegeta was at 30,000. That's the cloest he ever got.

I think he might be even closer to Vegeta during the Freeza fight, before Vegeta got his super Zenkai.

When Vegeta was at 500,000?! So you're putting Krillin at post gravity training Kaioken Goku level that made Ginyu shit himself? LOL

 

[SSJ2]

How would he be of any use against Freeza otherwise?

 

[ahill1]

The closest Krillin was ever to base Vegeta was on Namek and his power was 10,000 while Vegeta was at 30,000. That's the cloest he ever got.

I think he might be even closer to Vegeta during the Freeza fight, before Vegeta got his super Zenkai.

When Vegeta was at 500,000?! So you're putting Krillin at post gravity training Kaioken Goku level that made Ginyu shit himself? LOL

Yea, even stronger than this Goku. I think Kuririn (vs Freeza) being even at 300k is acceptable. I feel both Kuririn and Gohan are more relevant to Vegeta than they were in the Ginyu saga.

 

[SSJ2]

They have to be. Vegeta flat out told Goku (highest known power was 360k with Kaioken x4) that he would be useless against Freeza, yet considers Gohan and Krillin go be valuable assets if they help him out.

 

[Victorious]

How would he be of any use against Freeza otherwise?

He was plenty of use againt Vegeta in the Saiyan saga. He wasnt half Vegeta's strength. Hell he was very useful against 2nd form Freeza. More useful than the much stronger Vegeta. So this argument doesnt hold much weight.

 

[SSJ2]

The whole context of Krillin and Gohan being able to help is about power in this instance. Gohan even confirms it right after Vegeta compliments them.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta explicitly said Kuririn and Gohan's powers are of help against Freeza. Vegeta was still considering a hypothetical 2nd form Freeza, which speaks volumes IMO.

 

[Victorious]

They have to be. Vegeta flat out told Goku (highest known power was 360k with Kaioken x4) that he would be useless against Freeza, yet considers Gohan and Krillin go be valuable assets if they help him out.

Vegeta said Goku would still be no match for Freeza if he challenged him, meaning 1 on 1. And this was when Goku's base power was only hovering around 60,000, not his true 90,000. And Vegeta only estimated Goku to be around the strength of Ginyu. So maybe a max of 120,000 if Vegeta know Ginyu's limit.
Vegeta already rivalled Freeza when he said the runts were useful. All he needs is Gohan's anger, which he has seen before several times, and Krillin to spam ki attacks and kienzans for distraction. Krillin alone almost killed Nappa on Earth. He's very useful if he can be used the right way which i'm sure vegeta realizes.

 

[Victorious]

Well you can put Krillin at 300,000 or 600,000 for all i care for being "help" against second form Freeza, but it's complete conjecture. The SEG puts him 75,000 and that's absolutely as high as i'd go. The humans have always been complete fodder to the base Saiyans. Krillin doesnt have to be a beast to be useful to Vegeta in a fight with Freeza..

 

[ahill1]

Where do you have Gohan?

 

[Victorious]

Well angry he's a shade over 1,000,000. Gohan's anger was always like a 3-4x boost IMO. Went from 981 to 2,800 vs Nappa.

 

[Tapion]

I agree with Ahill here. I put Krillin at 250,000, and Gohan's power was rising to a level that he was in a similar league as Vegeta, that is implied.
About 19 and 20, i'm still undecided about them pre absorptions, but i'm completely sure that they're both considerably stronger than Yardrat Goku post absorptions.

I'd put it like that
Yardrat Goku 100
Android 19 pre absorptions 100
Android 19 post absorptions 150

 

[Six Trails]

I suppose it is completely with in Vegeta's character to compliment Krillin's power when it's actually the equivalent of nothing. He did always have a soft spot for bald midgets.

 

[Tapion]

[mention]One Piece Bus Ride[/mention] I'm not sure if you was replying to me, but Vegeta paid much more attention in Gohan's power than Krillin's own. He said that "the ki of these two are steadily rising..but the brat, mainly..."

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Because he knew Gohan potential surpass full Saiyan's potential.