Karin vs Old Piccolo Daimao (Initial)

[Animelover5487]

Who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

How far above Old Daimao was Goku? I recall Goku kicking him to the ground, but that's all I really recall. I think Goku surpassed Karin by a decent amount, enough so that he'd probably lose to Daimao after a decent fight.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

For the last time: Korin is at Baba Saga Goku's level, judging from their sparring 3 years before KP Saga. Herms admitted the ''almost
surpassed me'' was a wrong translation. Post 22nd TB humans were never stated to have trained under Korin; they just climbed the tower,
got the senzus and left.

 

[Animelover5487]

Pretty much. The fight was very brief but Daimao immediately powering up after Goku's assault tells me that he couldn't win at his current state.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think this can go either-way. I don't think Karin's way of saying Goku surpassed him has to necessarily mean he surpassed him just barely, but I also don't think Piccolo-Daimao was all that much lower than Goku considering what he was still able to do (even-though he was taken by surprise).

 

[Animelover5487]

For the last time: Korin is at Baba Saga Goku's level, judging from their sparring 3 years before KP Saga. Herms admitted the ''almost
surpassed me'' was a wrong translation. Post 22nd TB humans were never stated to have trained under Korin; they just climbed the tower,
got the senzus and left.

I forgot to ask you this withheld, but I find it very odd of you to say that the humans just climbed Karin's tower for senzu beans. Why would they do that? No one was injured and it's implied during the 23rd that they had been doing training there.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think the argument where Kaioshin gets scared shitless every time he sees an M could apply here. Karin sensed a power even greater than Daimao in Goku and still doubted he could ever win, so he might suffer from the same disorder

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I think that this fight could go either way, but I'll give it to Old Daimao because he is a cooler character.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Korin said he had nothing to teach Goku even before he drank the water, IIRC, which implies that Goku surpassed him. Considering how badly Piccolo beat Goku, Korin doesn't have a prayer.

 

[Papasmurf]

This is Daimao when he was still wearing his cape

 

[withheldforprivacy]

For the last time: Korin is at Baba Saga Goku's level, judging from their sparring 3 years before KP Saga. Herms admitted the ''almost
surpassed me'' was a wrong translation. Post 22nd TB humans were never stated to have trained under Korin; they just climbed the tower,
got the senzus and left.

I forgot to ask you this withheld, but I find it very odd of you to say that the humans just climbed Karin's tower for senzu beans. Why would they do that? No one was injured and it's implied during the 23rd that they had been doing training there.

All it was stated was that Roshi talked to them about the tower, they climbed it and, then, went to seperate ways to train.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

My memory is a little fuzzy, this Piccolo beat Goku the first time right? If so he wins, if not he loses

 

[Animelover5487]

My memory is a little fuzzy, this Piccolo beat Goku the first time right? If so he wins, if not he loses

No, this is Old Piccolo pre-power up with his cape on.

 

[ahill1]

Hmm I can see what withheld is talking about. Karin didn't seem to be so far ahead of Goku (post Karin) when the latter got the water. But at the same time, the way Karin said Goku surpassed him 3 years later makes me think it's not by a big amount either. I'm on the fence about Karin's power.

 

[Animelover5487]

Goku not surpassing Karin until all the way in the Piccolo Daimao arc was put in there for a reason. Goku wouldn't requested more training if he was so far ahead of him, then if we add the humans climbing up Karin's tower while not outright stated that they did training there it still says something about Karin's relevance. I don't think the humans would waste their time climbing up the tower and meeting Karin for nothing.

 

[Future Warrior]

Either way Old Piccolo Daimoa shreds him to pieces.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I have Karin slightly stronger than Full Power 22nd Budokai Goku. It'd be a high to extreme difficulty fight between the cat and that Saiyan

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Goku not surpassing Karin until all the way in the Piccolo Daimao arc was put in there for a reason. Goku wouldn't requested more training if he was so far ahead of him, then if we add the humans climbing up Karin's tower while not outright stated that they did training there it still says something about Karin's relevance. I don't think the humans would waste their time climbing up the tower and meeting Karin for nothing.

-Korin barely dodging Goku's moves at the end of the training is also put there for a reason. To show us Baba Goku had already reached
his cat teacher's level.
-Kid Goku always viewed his masters as superior to him, not realizing it when he surpassed them. Remember, after Baba Saga, he wanted
to keep training under Roshi.
-Climbing the tower is also a power boost, not just the training with Korin, so the humans still had a reason to go and test this challenge.
Also, Roshi might have just told them the lie about the water, so they climbed the tower believing they would drink something which would
make them magically stronger.