Kid Buu vs Super Buu

[kriss-]

Let the war begin!

 

[Ryuzaki]

You're doing it on purpose, right ? Well let's see :

Fat Boo = Dai Kai's influence overpowered Kid Boo's, restraining Boo's power. Have South Kai's power.

Super Boo = Recovered most of his power, but is still restrained by Dai Kai's influence. Have South Kai's power.

Buff Boo = Dai Kai is no longer present. Recovered all his power, completely unrestrained. Have South Kai's power.

Kid Boo = Completely unrestrained. Doesn't have South Kai's power.

Well, I guess that Kid Boo would be stronger based on this. Then again, there is conflicting infos in manga. It's unclear in my mind right now.

 

[kriss-]

I think Kid Buu wins.

 

[Ryuzaki]

I think Kid Buu wins.

I think it's a mystery to nobody, considering your signature.

It's off-topic, but why do you think that Z-Team (DBS) = Z-Team (Boo) ? Show your evidence(s).

 

[kriss-]

Toriyama states in two interviews that everybody reached max power in the Boo Arc and couldn't get any stronger. That means the power scaling in Db Super is the same as it was in the Boo Arc.

Read this if you want the full rundown of my thoughts.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2145957-debunking-of-gohan-gotenksism/

 

[Ryuzaki]

Weekly Shonen Jump issue 2013 #16:
Interviewer: Why did you choose this period?
Akira Toriyama: The fact is, I thought, "Man I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga". I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone
had got to maximum strength. A few years after the "Majin Buu arc", and before Pan's birth.

They were at maximum strength after Boo Saga according to this interview.

AT also says that everyone was at their strongest condition several years after Boo Saga.

http://www.saiyanisland.com/2013/03/akira-toriyama-interview/

 

[Papasmurf]

I've never seen a Toriyama interview that actually says they were the same strength as they were in the Boo saga, only that it was a few years afterwards that they were at their highest powers. Just t0sh twisting words, then.

 

[Ryuzaki]

I've never seen a Toriyama interview that actually says they were the same strength as they were in the Boo saga, only that it was a few years afterwards that they were at their highest powers. Just t0sh twisting words, then.

As I thought.

 

[Papasmurf]

Toriyama specifically says "This time period" and that afterwards their age caused their powers to decrease, so he's definitely referring to the time before Pan's birth and after the Boo saga. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

 

[kriss-]

Realistically, I interpret it as 'everyone was in their strongest condition at that time - the Boo Saga'. So instead of Goku getting stronger afterwards, he might just get weaker.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why did you chose to make this story after the Majin Buu saga?
Akira Toriyama: I wanted to use all of the characters, and I wondered which saga was the best, so I decided that it would be several years after Majin Buu showed up, and everyone was in their strongest condition at that time. Do you remember Uub? when I created Uub, Bulma and Krillin were really old, so I thought it would be difficult to adjust the story.

Can you actually read? It's several years after the Boo saga. There isn't one word about their powers remaining the same.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Kenshi is right, T0sh.

From this, you definitely can't use DBS to prove your point.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd say it was subjective if it was just that one without the mention of the "and before Pan's birth" part. It seems pretty pointless he'd start off the movie with Goku training at King Kai's and Vegeta training before the party if they're only just as powerful as their Boo arc selves too.

 

[kriss-]

Oh and this:

Goku:"Maybe... But pointlessly toughening up my body more than this is just torture, not training. But I won't object if you guys enter that room again. It looks like you still have room left to toughen up more."

Toriyama also states that in order to get stronger one must learn to master Chi, because Ssj3 is so wild when it comes to Chi control it basically makes it impossible for the user to increase their strength any further.

Also Super Saiyan 3 brings the user to their limits, so it's against the principal of Goku's statements and the transformation itself that Goku could get stronger.

 

[Pyro]

Impossible to get stronger...in DBZ? mg

 

[Ryuzaki]

@T0sh :

Don't forget the fact that Goku said both they'd train to make sure that they win against Boo if they fight again.

So they were definitely stronger in DBS.

 

[Papasmurf]

^that got thrown out the window when Goku wondered in the actual movie if he can reach this Super Saiyan God by training, or if it requires a different method to reach. Obviously the latter was the way, but there'd be little point in wondering if he can reach another level by training if he's at his absolute maximum as it is.

And as Ryuzaki said, Goku says we'll just train harder so we can beat any Boo one-on-one the next time he appears.

 

[kriss-]

It still doesn't take form Vegeta's quote of Goku being stronger at that time. He speaks in the past tense.

Goku Ssj3 > Ultimate Gohan

Is still factual in the Boo Saga.


If you want to argue that Goku increased the gap by as much as 4x -to include Vegeta, than that's your choice.

 

[kriss-]

The only known way to get stronger in Dragonball Z is by training. That was the only option Goku had taken since he was born. Obviously he's going to try to reach SSJG by going through that. He tries and fails. Why?

 

[Ryuzaki]

It still doesn't take form Vegeta's quote of Goku being stronger at that time. He speaks in the past tense.

Goku Ssj3 > Ultimate Gohan

Is still factual in the Boo Saga.


If you want to argue that Goku increased the gap by as much as 4x -to include Vegeta, than that's your choice.

Vegeta's quote ? It's nothing more than his statement in Boo Saga. If it didn't convinced anyone at that time, it won't change now. Not to mention that Vegeta stated that he is number 2, which further prove that he was more talking about their rivalry than anything else.

Unless of course, you think that their power didn't changed from Boo Saga, but you have SSJ2 Vegeta > Mystic Gohan, despite the fact that Vegeta got his butt kicked by a Boo weaker than the one who got stomped by Gohan...