King Chappa (23rd) vs Goku (22nd)
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Chappa only needs to be stronger than the version of Goku that beat him and fought against Kuririn. He beats Tournament level Goku, but loses to Battle level Goku, possibly getting stomped.
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We have no indication that he watched the last fight in the Budokai and therefore no evidence he could compare himself to Battle level Goku. For what the anime's worth (seeing as we have nothing else to go by) Tambourine seemingly killed him on the same night he killed Kuririn iirc, so anime-wise at least it seems doubtful Chappa had time to stick around for the finals.
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I agree with that. When I said the Goku who fought against Kuririn, it's because Goku didn't use any more power than against Chappa didn't until the end of the fight. Chappa would have to be significantly stronger to beat a Goku who had trained for 3 years, so I imagine he'd at least be above the full extent of Goku's tournament level by the time of the 23rd TB.p123 said:
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I think Chappa stayed to watch the rest of the Budokai. Like, to learn how strong the guy who defeated him and his techniques.
IMO Chappa is around Initial Yajirobe, or Mutaito/Post 22nd Goku.
IMO Chappa is around Initial Yajirobe, or Mutaito/Post 22nd Goku.
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Something interesting i just found:
On the last panel Chappa says reckoning defeat is a important step on training. This makes me think he would study Goku on the Budokai.
On the last panel Chappa says reckoning defeat is a important step on training. This makes me think he would study Goku on the Budokai.
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That's a good piece of evidence. However, you could assume that Chappa was a hypocrite though, considering that he found it inconceivable a child could take him on and his arrogance was just as great at the 23rd TB.
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I have a hard time imagining Chappa sticking around to watch the festivities. The way he was handled would be a complete embarrassment to himself. He is a former two time Champion, I think he went home, made marginal increases over 3 years and that's that.
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Yeah i expected someone would bring up Chappa being a hypocrite. He really lost his shit once Goku started to dominate him. I still prefer to think Chappa is > Battle Goku though.
Out of topic, but i noticed a page later Goku puts his feet on the ceiling. Isn't that being out of bounds?
Out of topic, but i noticed a page later Goku puts his feet on the ceiling. Isn't that being out of bounds?
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Perhaps it was too quick for the referee to track, or like with the Kinto'Un, it wasn't strictly against the rules and viable as a one time thing.
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Yeah. The only case where it was taboo was in the Anoyoichi Budokai filler, and even then it was just an excuse Dai Kaio came up with to not train Goku.
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So all in all, I think you either make him stronger than Initial Goku or stronger than Battle Level Goku. One thing I will say is that Piccolo and the rest of the crew are remarking on Goku's power and ability to defeat Chappa and getting a good read on Goku. Piccolo is able to make some assertions based on his performance. Why all the hoopla if Chappa is merely around Goku's Initial 22nd Budokai power? They seem to make a big deal about Goku's ability here.
So it's a tough call. For Chappa to improve multi folds seems weird, but the story kind of pushes it in both directions.
So it's a tough call. For Chappa to improve multi folds seems weird, but the story kind of pushes it in both directions.
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On the one hand, Chappa's gains must be manyfold for him to think he has a chance.
I mean, he can't think that Goku hasn't improved much since 22nd TB; just growing
into adulthood is an obvious great power boost for Goku, add the training to that and
Chappa definitely expected a much stronger Goku than the one he had fought.
On the other hand, Chappa seemed past his prime, so he logically can't have great gains.
Is it possible he was so cocky that he just believed he would win this time because shut
up?
I mean, he can't think that Goku hasn't improved much since 22nd TB; just growing
into adulthood is an obvious great power boost for Goku, add the training to that and
Chappa definitely expected a much stronger Goku than the one he had fought.
On the other hand, Chappa seemed past his prime, so he logically can't have great gains.
Is it possible he was so cocky that he just believed he would win this time because shut
up?
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So, i'm not blocked anymore?
Freeza could not imagine that someone could go beyond the impossible (Super Saiyan).
King Chappa on the other hand fought a kid that obviously had much unused potential
yet. He definitely took into consideration that, even by merely growing into adulthood,
that kid would increase his power a lot.
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Do you have a quote with Freeza saying that Super Saiyan was their limit?
Meh, I don't think Chappa would be thinking so much about that. But it could work. But how could he expect to be stronger than Goku, if he himself is progressing a lot, why wouldn't the kid progress a lot too? It gets tricky.
Ki doesn't work that way, ala Teen Gohan and Kid Gohan.
Meh, I don't think Chappa would be thinking so much about that. But it could work. But how could he expect to be stronger than Goku, if he himself is progressing a lot, why wouldn't the kid progress a lot too? It gets tricky.
Ki doesn't work that way, ala Teen Gohan and Kid Gohan.
