King Chappa (23rd) vs Goku (22nd)

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1. Do you have a quote with Freeza saying that Super Saiyan was their limit?

2. Ki doesn't work that way, ala Teen Gohan and Kid Gohan.

1. Goku had fullfilled an ancient alien prophecy. Even most of us would not believe he could become
any stronger, had the series ended there.

2. Kid Gohan had already become way stronger than what he was supposed to be naturally.

 

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So has Kid Goku.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku still wins but he'll actually have to try this time.

 

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So has Kid Goku.

No. Kid Goku was not stronger than what a normal Saiyan is supposed to be.

 

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How can Kid Goku not be stronger than what he should be, but Kid Gohan was? Kid Goku probably did even more training than Kid Gohan.

 

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How can Kid Goku not be stronger than what he should be, but Kid Gohan was? Kid Goku probably did even more training than Kid Gohan.

Even BOZ Goku was pathetic by a normal Saiyan's standards. Kid Gohan had been pushed way past what he would have naturally got
by growing into an adult.

 

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Goku is pathetic because he is from a lower class. His power is perfectly within his normal range, most would say beyond. Saiyan kids don't get the kind of training Goku gets. Goku is already way beyond his capabilities at the BOZ.

Kid Gohan barely trained at all prior to the Androids.

 

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Saiyan kids are born into 10x gravity tho..

 

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And Goku couldn't even stand to be in there for a month even after all of his training. When did he go in there, while training for Piccolo Junior I'm guessing?

 

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Yea but I'd assume that minimal training in 10x gravity would exceed the gains of someone who trained on earth extensively. I believe Kaio even said 158 days training with him would equal thousands of years on earth. Obviously the Saiyans born on Vegeta aren't receiving Kaios training, but it sounds to me that just being on that gravity would make you naturally stronger.

Yea, i'd assume he used it while training with Kami/Popo.

 

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Yea, 10x gravity is definitely a big deal, I think being in the Other World is what makes Kaio's training so special. Probably no reason to sleep, no energy concerns and of course, his training.

If you can only train hard 2 hours a day, imagine the difference if you train 20 hours a day.

 

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Goku is pathetic because he is from a lower class. His power is perfectly within his normal range, most would say beyond. Saiyan kids don't get the kind of training Goku gets. Goku is already way beyond his capabilities at the BOZ.

Kid Gohan barely trained at all prior to the Androids.

But what did Chappa know about that. If anything, to Chappa's eyes, Goku was just a child prodigy, so, after his loss,
he should be like 'imagine how strong this brat will be as an adult'.

 

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Krillen and Yamcha didn't expect Goku to have gotten anymore stronger over 3 years of training.

 

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So how much stronger should Chappa be over Goku then?

 

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Krillin and Yamcha didn't expect Goku to have gotten anymore stronger over 3 years of training.

They did not know what to expect. They were questioning his progress.

 

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So how much stronger should Chappa be over Goku then?

I told you i don't know what to believe about Chappa. Sometimes, i feel
like just giving him a moderate 1.5x progress over his 22nd TB self and
get it over with.

 

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Yea, I go back and forth with this issue. Do we really think that King Chappa is stupidly powerful? As in, way stronger than Roshi and could have manhandle Piccolo Daimao's initial power? That seems like a bit of a stretch right?

 

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Yea, I go back and forth with this issue. Do we really think that King Chappa is stupidly powerful? As in, way stronger than Roshi and could have manhandle Piccolo Daimao's initial power? That seems like a bit of a stretch right?

Yes. A major stretch.

The only thing we need to know is King Chappa is stronger than the Goku he fought.

 

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Yeah. I don't even think Chappa ever got to Crane Hermit level.

 

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But look at the big deal they make of the fight, check out all the character statements, it has me thinking...