Krillen ( 23rd Budokai ) Vs King Piccolo

[p123]

This is King Piccolo at his highest power. Is Krillen strong enough to take him on?

 

[Six Trails]

I think he's close, but not stronger.

 

[p123]

I would have to agree.

Goku vs Tien initial battle seemed to be at the same speed Goku used against King Piccolo previously.

Yamcha and Krillen are clearly very impressed with their ability and clearly are inferior to it.

They even walk away shaking their head at Tien's ability against Tao Pai Pai which wasn't even his complete effort.

Then as Tien goes all out, they can't even see him anymore.

I'd venture as saying that Krillen and Yamcha vs King Piccolo is probably a better match up then a one vs one.

 

[Ryuzaki]

This is King Piccolo at his highest power. Is Krillen strong enough to take him on?

I think so. Everyone (including Piccolo himself) were amazed by how good he fought against someone stated to be stronger than King Piccolo.

 

[p123]

What suggested that Piccolo fought at a level that strong?

 

[Ryuzaki]

What suggested that Piccolo fought at a level that strong?

The fact that Goku sensed him at that level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't sense a power that isn't displayed. Then, the fact that he was amazed by Krillin's performance either made me think that Piccolo was fighting at that level. Otherwise, Goku would have noticed that he was toying with Krillin.

 

[Clearin]

Piccolo compliments Goku and Tien's speed, which is odd since Goku shouldn't be any faster than he was 3 years ago, and if Piccolo has King Piccolo's memories, then essentially he'd be just seeing Goku hasn't gained any speed at all.

As for the match-up at hand it's hard to say for me. Krillin and Yamcha weren't there when Goku beat King Piccolo, so they never had an idea of how strong they needed to get. Piccolo apparently thinks taking over the world would be easy until he fights Krillin, but that could be easily explained as him only expecting Goku to be a threat, whereas now he realises he might have trouble even after he's eliminated Goku.

I think I'd be happy giving it to either of them unless I can find more evidence pointing either way.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Piccolo compliments Goku and Tien's speed, which is odd since Goku shouldn't be any faster than he was 3 years ago, and if Piccolo has King Piccolo's memories, then essentially he'd be just seeing Goku hasn't gained any speed at all.

As for the match-up at hand it's hard to say for me. Krillin and Yamcha weren't there when Goku beat King Piccolo, so they never had an idea of how strong they needed to get. Piccolo apparently thinks taking over the world would be easy until he fights Krillin, but that could be easily explained as him only expecting Goku to be a threat, whereas now he realises he might have trouble even after he's eliminated Goku.

I think I'd be happy giving it to either of them unless I can find more evidence pointing either way.

Goku had his weights at the time he complimented his speed ?

 

[Clearin]

Piccolo compliments Goku and Tien's speed, which is odd since Goku shouldn't be any faster than he was 3 years ago, and if Piccolo has King Piccolo's memories, then essentially he'd be just seeing Goku hasn't gained any speed at all.

As for the match-up at hand it's hard to say for me. Krillin and Yamcha weren't there when Goku beat King Piccolo, so they never had an idea of how strong they needed to get. Piccolo apparently thinks taking over the world would be easy until he fights Krillin, but that could be easily explained as him only expecting Goku to be a threat, whereas now he realises he might have trouble even after he's eliminated Goku.

I think I'd be happy giving it to either of them unless I can find more evidence pointing either way.

Goku had his weights at the time he complimented his speed ?

Yeah, it was at the very start of the match, after Goku and Tien's first skirmish.

 

[ahill1]

I think Krillin should still be one or two steps behind Young Piccolo Daimao. Krillin and Yamcha was impressed with Goku (Weighted) speed and were surprised that this speed was considerade slow by Tien.

I think Krillin could put up a fight, but it would be somewhat overcome by Piccolo Daimao.

Piccolo Daimao Old 100
Kuririn ( 23rd Budokai ) 87.5

 

[Ryuzaki]

Piccolo compliments Goku and Tien's speed, which is odd since Goku shouldn't be any faster than he was 3 years ago, and if Piccolo has King Piccolo's memories, then essentially he'd be just seeing Goku hasn't gained any speed at all.

As for the match-up at hand it's hard to say for me. Krillin and Yamcha weren't there when Goku beat King Piccolo, so they never had an idea of how strong they needed to get. Piccolo apparently thinks taking over the world would be easy until he fights Krillin, but that could be easily explained as him only expecting Goku to be a threat, whereas now he realises he might have trouble even after he's eliminated Goku.

I think I'd be happy giving it to either of them unless I can find more evidence pointing either way.

Goku had his weights at the time he complimented his speed ?

Yeah, it was at the very start of the match, after Goku and Tien's first skirmish.

Well, that's pretty odd then.

 

[p123]

Goku knew that Piccolo's power vs Krillen was nowhere near his full power.

Krillen thinks Goku ( Weighted Speed ) is really fast and can't see Tien.

Goku ( Weighted Speed ) is only as fast as he was against King Piccolo.

 

[Clearin]

It's actually Yamcha who can't see Tien. Going by Viz because I can't see it on Herms strength checker, Tien and Goku take to the air, Yamcha asks where they are, and says he can't see Tien. But Kuririn just replies with "Goku was heading up". So Kuririn could actually keep up with Goku, and may or may not have kept up with Tien, but Tien at this point was moving faster than weighted Goku, and thus would have been faster than King Piccolo. So while this tells us that Kuririn can keep with Goku, while Yamcha can't, it also implies Kuririn would be able to keep up with King Piccolo, though not necessary match it.

Edited to remove the damn pictures

 

[ahill1]

Yeak Krillen would be able to keep up with Young Piccolo Daimao; I think Krillen being 88% of Young Piccolo sounds good.

 

[p123]

Yamcha and Krillen have been implied to be the same level since the 22nd Budokai. Nothing seems to have changed in the 23rd Budokai and they both seem to still be rivals. Their reactions are very similar to Tao Pai Pai and Tien's fight.

Krillen's face is in shock, exactly like Yamcha's. Krillen and Yamcha can both see Goku but they can't see Tien, the only one who has increased their speed. Basically the conversation is going like this.

Yamcha- I can't see Tien anymore!
Krillen- Me neither! But Goku just went up!

 

[Clearin]

Yamcha doesn't seem to be able to keep up with Goku either since he asks where both of them went. Kuririn actually knows where Goku went, but not necessarily Tien. The BoZ suggests at least some gap between them. Even if you think the numbers themselves are bullshit, Toriyama wanted to make Kuririn higher than Yamcha, so I don't see why that can't have started 5 years prior.

 

[Ryuzaki]

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[p123]

1) Your quote shows that Piccolo was indeed holding back.

2) Piccolo is also impressed with Weighted Goku's speed as well as Tien's while he was holding back. Both are confirmed to be faster than Krillen.

3) Yamcha was keeping up with Goku just fine before. Goku has not changed his speed.

 

[Clearin]

3) Yamcha was keeping up with Goku just fine before. Goku has not changed his speed.

How come he lost track of both of them then?

Though the fact you acknowledge that Krillin (and Yamcha though he's not important in this topic) can follow Goku is really all I was arguing. If they can follow Goku, they can follow King Piccolo. Doesn't necessarily mean they can match it, but yeah, I wasn't gonna argue that much as fact.

 

[p123]

Yamcha " Where are they? I can't see Tien "

It is a bit funky, but I think it's important to note that he specifically says he can't see Tien.

Goku has not changed his speed, if Yamcha was able to see him before, he should be able to see him now.

And yes, I never said they aren't in King Piccolo's league, I just said I don't think they could beat King Piccolo. I think they could beat him as a team more likely.