Krillin (Trunks saga) vs. First form Freeza

[Pyro]

I think Krillin might be stronger than first form Freeza even by the end of the Namek saga.

I'm leaning on this side. By Trunks' arrival, I'd slot Krillin on the higher side of the hundred thousands.

Yo, Pakl, please explain why Vegeta considered Krillin and Gohan necessary leverage against 1st Form Freeza, and specifically called on them for their power.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I'll take Krillin here after a tough fight.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta (pre last zenkai) rivaled 1st Form Freeza. Krillin could do nothing to Vegeta (pre last zenkai) without
him lowering his chi. After that, Krillin stayed dead for a few months and alive for one year. I don't think he
improved so much in that period to jump from not doing anything to a 1st Form Freeza tier character to
beating him.

*1 year and 130 days.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta (pre last zenkai) rivaled 1st Form Freeza. Krillin could do nothing to Vegeta (pre last zenkai) without
him lowering his chi. After that, Krillin stayed dead for a few months and alive for one year. I don't think he
improved so much in that period to jump from not doing anything to a 1st Form Freeza tier character to
beating him.

*1 year and 130 days.

260 is it not?

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta (pre last zenkai) rivaled 1st Form Freeza. Krillin could do nothing to Vegeta (pre last zenkai) without
him lowering his chi. After that, Krillin stayed dead for a few months and alive for one year. I don't think he
improved so much in that period to jump from not doing anything to a 1st Form Freeza tier character to
beating him.

*1 year and 130 days.

260 is it not?

Krillin was dead by 130 days; so he only had 1 year and 130 days to train.

 

[Zippy]

I dont think he got that much stronger than namek, if anything after namek he was planning to lay back a bit (or so it seemed in the little comversation after the genki dama on frieza) so frieza wins hes still stronger imo.

 

[ahill1]

Yea if Kuririn ( Trunks Saga ) was that stronger than himself in Freeza Saga I think it'd be noted. Kuririn is at most at 400,000 IMO.

Kuririn ( Trunks Saga ) 400,000
Freeza ( 1st Form ) 530,000

 

[p123]

I hadn't thought of Krillen being dead. Nice. Yea that would hamper his gains even more. Wonder why he didn't go to Kaio's?

 

[ahill1]

This is a damn good question...Would be funny if he was for the Kaio's planet ... in that momment he was way ahead of Tenshinhan and co.

 

[Pakl]

I think Krillin might be stronger than first form Freeza even by the end of the Namek saga.

I'm leaning on this side. By Trunks' arrival, I'd slot Krillin on the higher side of the hundred thousands.

Yo, Pakl, please explain why Vegeta considered Krillin and Gohan necessary leverage against 1st Form Freeza, and specifically called on them for their power.

Vegeta counted on their rising ki from Guros power up

They were terrified of Freeza.. Vegeta was close so having help is useful


Krillin is a weakling compared to Vegera.. Vegeta even says it...

Vegeta is 420k imo

Krillin being 75k is ok... Hell, Vegeta showed off when he beat Jheese who was just 40k... That was an hour before the fight...

Even if I agree, Krillin is much weaker than Vegeta and irrelevant to Freeza

Krillin is likely 200k at the very most...

 

[Pakl]

I also think Tensshinhan is stronger than Krillin in the end of the Freeza Arc

The filler of the Ginyu force is ok imo

Tenshinhan: 90k
Krillin: 75k
Yamcha: 50k
Chaotzu: 20k

 

[Pyro]

I think Krillin might be stronger than first form Freeza even by the end of the Namek saga.

I'm leaning on this side. By Trunks' arrival, I'd slot Krillin on the higher side of the hundred thousands.

Yo, Pakl, please explain why Vegeta considered Krillin and Gohan necessary leverage against 1st Form Freeza, and specifically called on them for their power.

Vegeta counted on their rising ki from Guros power up

They were terrified of Freeza.. Vegeta was close so having help is useful


Krillin is a weakling compared to Vegera.. Vegeta even says it...

Vegeta is 420k imo

Krillin being 75k is ok... Hell, Vegeta showed off when he beat Jheese who was just 40k... That was an hour before the fight...

Even if I agree, Krillin is much weaker than Vegeta and irrelevant to Freeza

Krillin is likely 200k at the very most...

Vegeta and Freeza were going to stand around and wait for Krillin to become strong enough to matter? That's rather ridiculous. Gohan and Krillin were terrified of Freeza until Vegeta pointed out that they were actually pretty strong and they could win together. Krillin being 75,000 adds absolutely nothing to the battle with two fighters near or over 500,000. You're seriously claiming Krillin is irrelevant to Freeza when Vegeta says the complete opposite? Hell, during the fight with Ginyu and Jheese, Vegeta said even Goku stood no chance against Freeza. Think about it, my child.

 

[LordBeefdip]

I'm inclined to give 1st form Frieza the win, though I think Krillin would make him actually work for it. Vegeta considered both his and Gohan's power helpful against 1st form Frieza after all. I'd be hard pressed to put Krillin below 100k at that point.

Factor in the fact that Vegeta seemed to be banking on both Krillin's and Gohan's power increasing, with the time spent in between that and Trunks, and I could see Krilllin closing in on 400k.

 

[Zippy]

Even at 400k theres no way hed make him work for it. Thats still a 25% difference.

 

[p123]

Pakl logic is bad here. Surprisingly bad.

 

[SSJ2]

It should not surprise you.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't have Krillin any higher than 200k at this point, so he loses pretty fast.

I really wish we could've seen the 3 of them fight Freeza.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I hadn't thought of Krillen being dead. Nice. Yea that would hamper his gains even more. Wonder why he didn't go to Kaio's?

Because he didn't have a body.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza Saga

Kuririn 300,000
Gohan 337,500
~ Zenkai 1,000,000
Piccolo 350,000
~ Post fusion 1,500,000
Vegeta 498,000
~ Zenkai 3,300,000


Trunks Saga

Kuririn 400,000
Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 6,400,000
Vegeta 6,600,000

Seems about right to me.

 

[Pakl]

It should not surprise you.

How? My logic always made sense which is why he is surprising... stop bashing me :ermm: