Krillin (Trunks saga) vs. First form Freeza

[Pakl]

Pakl logic is bad here. Surprisingly bad.

Why... 75k is official and nothing says he is not

I explained my stance... Vegeta >> Gohan > Krillin....

Gohan post zenkai is still not stronger than Vegeta (putting him close to 1,000,000 is laughable and retarded)

1st form Freeza > Vegeta > Gohan post zenkai >> Gohan > Krillin

Krillin at most is 200k in the Freeza Arc.. Vegeta calls him weak for him... I dont see how he got stronger as a hour ago he had troubles with 23k Ginyu

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It should not surprise you.

How? My logic always made sense which is why he is surprising... stop bashing me :ermm:

You're good. Your only point i don't agree with is placing the movies between the episodes they were released.

 

[Pakl]

But the movies take place about the time they are released lol... nothing else

 

[Six Trails]

How? My logic always made sense which is why he is surprising... stop bashing me :ermm:

Gohan post zenkai is still not stronger than Vegeta (putting him close to 1,000,000 is laughable and retarded)

I'd recommend not bashing other peoples' opinions if you yourself don't want to be bashed.

 

[ahill1]

Yea I don't think Pakl is bad; He has justification for his choices.

 

[Pakl]

Is that someones opinion here?? I didnt know

 

[Pakl]

I just dont see why Krillin needs to be so strong when he js trash to Vegeta Gohan post zenkai was never said to surpass but is much stronger than before when he was stronger than Krillin...

Krillin cant be even 200k based on this

 

[ahill1]

Pakl logic is bad here. Surprisingly bad.

Why... 75k is official and nothing says he is not

I explained my stance... Vegeta >> Gohan > Krillin....

Gohan post zenkai is still not stronger than Vegeta (putting him close to 1,000,000 is laughable and retarded)

1st form Freeza > Vegeta > Gohan post zenkai >> Gohan > Krillin

Krillin at most is 200k in the Freeza Arc.. Vegeta calls him weak for him... I dont see how he got stronger as a hour ago he had troubles with 23k Ginyu

Mind explain why Gohan ( Zenkai ) cannot be stronger than Vegeta ( pre zenkai ) ?

 

[Pyro]

Jesus christ, Pakl, calm down. I just told you why you've made a bad point. Gohan and Krillin realized they actually WERE powerful after Vegeta told them; before that it was explainable as plain fear. Apparently to you, 75,000 is more relevant than 180,000 in the battle with Freeza.

 

[Clearin]

I honestly like to think Krillin got really strong by the time he died due to Guru's power up constantly raising his PL, because it helps keep Krillin stronger than Tien despite the obvious training time difference between the two.

Using his PL at the start of the fight dosn't tell us how strong he is later. Keep in mind that Krillin actually got the power up about 3 days (Or 2, I forget) before the Ginyu Force fight. So even using 75k as the number, he went from somewhere above 1.5k to ~10k in 3 days, then shot up to 75k in about two hours.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Krillin can be anywhere between 25k-300k, depending how you view Vegeta's statement and how you compare
him to Tien. The only sure thing is he's not close to Vegeta pre zenkai (500k).

 

[Clearin]

Krillin can be anywhere between 25k-300k, depending how you view Vegeta's statement and how you compare
him to Tien. The only sure thing is he's not close to Vegeta pre zenkai (500k).

At least not at the time of Freeza first transforming into his final form. A lot happens after that with Krillin's PL still continually growing.

 

[p123]

I don't see a reason for the potential to take any more effect than it did. Krillen being in the 200-300k range is good enough imo.

There are many questionable official numbers that you don't follow Pakl, so it's a bit odd to say that's your reason. If they never gave a number for it, I'm sure your opinion would be closer to ours. Which indicates bias imo. Generally I take you to be a bias free guy, which is why I was surprised on your " it's official " stance.

 

[Clearin]

I don't see a reason for the potential to take any more effect than it did.

Because Vegeta saying Krillin would be useful against Freeza happened in the same speech as him saying Krillin's power is still growing.

 

[p123]

Quote?

 

[Six Trails]

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…â€￾

 

[p123]

Nice. Now does that mean Vegeta is steadily rising as well or no?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Vegeta told Jheese he was continuing to get stronger.

 

[p123]

Yes, but Vegeta's power clearly stopped growing once he met Freeza didn't it? Or he was still on his way to becoming a Super Saiyan?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It probably stopped by that point. Freeza already held an advantage, which was piled on by a further transformation. It's possible that Vegeta's increases weren't worth acknowledging because Freeza was just too strong. He pretty much says he's close to becoming a Super Saiyan to Freeza similar to the way he said it to Jheese, so.