Super Saiyan said:Piccolo stomps, but Kaioken might match or surpass him? What?
Super Saiyan said:The thread title states this is Kaioken Coola.
What don’t you understand?
Captain Cadaver said:I'd say even a Kaioken 100% Freeza would beat Piccolo fairly soundly, so Coola stomps.
Captain Cadaver said:I don't go with overly bloated numbers, so no, not in my book.
Which means little when Future #17 still ought to be above the Pre-Rosat SSJs. Also, Gohan had some confidence in being able to beat the Artificial Humans, saying that things would be different from last time and that their terror ended there, making it apparent Gohan was far weaker in the previous fight compared to just before his death.Loby said:It's not about bloat. Take into account that "less than half" Android 17 was stronger than SSjin Future Gohan who was at least as strong as SSjin Goku on Namek imo.
Do the math and how it compares to the Androids Arc SSjins.
Captain Cadaver said:Which means little when Future #17 still ought to be above the Pre-Rosat SSJs. Also, Gohan had some confidence in being able to beat the Artificial Humans, saying that things would be different from last time and that their terror ended there, making it apparent Gohan was far weaker in the previous fight compared to just before his death.Loby said:It's not about bloat. Take into account that "less than half" Android 17 was stronger than SSjin Future Gohan who was at least as strong as SSjin Goku on Namek imo.
Do the math and how it compares to the Androids Arc SSjins.
He was also astounded that Vegeta was capable of putting up such an even fight against #18, so I'd say Trunks fighting "fairly well" would equate to him managing to avoid getting completely stomped. By Trunks' own reactions, SSJ Vegeta ought to be at best around Future #18's level.Loby said:Why Future 17 must be higher? I have SSjin Vegeta as strong as Future 17. Trunks said he was able to fight fairly well against the future androids but it was tough because they were two.
And then proceeds to talk in confidence about how things would be different. Most likely, he believed himself of taking out one of them, but not both.Actually, Gohan seemed to know he might die. He tells himself that Trunks would be the only hope.
Not really. It just makes "Less than 50%" Future #17 and Two Armed SSJ Gohan weaker, if anything.Gohan being much stronger just makes the numbers more bloated.