Main problem regarding the Cell arc.

[ahill1]

So many agree that the Cell arc is the one in which more plot holes, immersion breaks decisions and asspulls began to appear and damage the work's quality overall.

I'd like to speak about the main problem, most damaging one to me: characters writing.

We have two main examples within the characters writing that sticks out in the Cell arc: Vegeta and Gohan. Both act different to a point they were used to movement the plot.

For one side, Vegeta isn't the pragmatic warrior he once was... Not wanting to take chances and taking the less problematic route possible. In the Freeza's arc, we have seen this Vegeta in action, wanting Kuririn to wound him before Freeza could enact his final act, for instance. In the Cell arc, he throws this cautious into the wind... Wanting to battle the androids and wanting nothing of destroying the lab, also allowing Cell to become perfect instead of killing Semi Cell. If you think about it, the latest sequence of the Cell arc occurred only due to Vegeta. That's ridiculous.

As for Gohan, we've seen how prepared to combat the enemy he was in earlier instances, as examples him killing one of Freeza's henchmedn upon their arrival on Namek, wanting to train to protect the Earth from Vegeta and actively trying to kill Freeze (more notably, when firing a Masenko at him). Suddenly not wanting to kill Cell and wishing to talk their way out of it came outta nowhere. You could argue he became more pacifist during this time, but this should be subteily shown somehow or another. This pacifista mentality was sudden and didn't link with Gohan's former behavior.

There're other problems as well, of course (like the Android's retconment, vagueness and contradictions towards character's standing and power), but I believe these are the most glarring ones, in a sense they actively are used to move the plot.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Along with the points you made about Gohan, I'd say the most damaging aspect for his character in the arc is that his role of becoming the hero was done in a very forced manner due to his role in the arc prior being slim to none, in much the same way Goku suddenly being made the hero in the Freeza Arc was forced due to his role in the arc being purely to take down enemies and far less personal than Gohan or Vegeta's. Goku and Trunks should've really been the ones to really be given the spotlight in the Cell Arc.

The most damaging part of the character writing though, and what I'd say is the biggest problem of the arc is one particular scene - that in which everyone discusses what to do about Gero and choose not to intervene at the time when they could easily stop him. The reasoning of everyone but Bulma was incredibly weak when they know what will happen and they don't even have to kill Gero to prevent it and it comes off as pure cognitive-dissonance when later on, everyone is calling Vegeta out as an idiot for letting Cell gain his Perfect form when everyone but Bulma is making the same kind of mistake here. What's more, there's so much wasted potential with the ending as this could've been used as Goku's reasoning for remaining dead as penance, rather than the weak "I attract bad guys" excuse that has more going against it than supporting it (The RRA, Saiyans and Freeza would have all continued their ambitions with or without Goku's existence and he was the main reason they were all stopped).

 

[Papasmurf]

Along with the points you made about Gohan, I'd say the most damaging aspect for his character in the arc is that his role of becoming the hero was done in a very forced manner due to his role in the arc prior being slim to none, in much the same way Goku suddenly being made the hero in the Freeza Arc was forced due to his role in the arc being purely to take down enemies and far less personal than Gohan or Vegeta's. Goku and Trunks should've really been the ones to really be given the spotlight in the Cell Arc.

I'd disagree with Goku being the hero being "forced" in the Freeza arc - it was foreshadowed as early as Bulma told Kuririn and the others of his gravity training, and while it wasn't executed that well, him being the last of his race after Vegeta was killed by Freeza gives the battle a sense of symbolic justice in that Freeza was to be taken down by a Saiyan he failed to kill. Especially when Goku's father was Bardock, the most persistent resistor against Freeza's destruction of Planet Vegeta.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd disagree with Goku being the hero being "forced" in the Freeza arc - it was foreshadowed as early as Bulma told Kuririn and the others of his gravity training, and while it wasn't executed that well, him being the last of his race after Vegeta was killed by Freeza gives the battle a sense of symbolic justice in that Freeza was to be taken down by a Saiyan he failed to kill.

Still, his personal investment in the conflict compared to Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta was pretty weak when he spends the majority of the arc either fighting opponents that brought his friends so much trouble (and not even with the personal nature that Nappa killing his friends brought) or staying static in a confined space until the plot calls for him, with the angle of fighting for the Saiyan race being fairly tacked on with how he brings it up as a reason for wanting to defeat Freeza only to immediately follow up with a warm-up segment of the fight.

Especially when Goku's father was Bardock, the most persistent resistor against Freeza's destruction of Planet Vegeta.

If going by the TV Special, then yes. The manga is quite vague with Bardock's role beyond futilely standing up to Freeza, and even that segment was a pretty shoehorned way of showing how special Goku was.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd disagree with Goku being the hero being "forced" in the Freeza arc - it was foreshadowed as early as Bulma told Kuririn and the others of his gravity training, and while it wasn't executed that well, him being the last of his race after Vegeta was killed by Freeza gives the battle a sense of symbolic justice in that Freeza was to be taken down by a Saiyan he failed to kill.

Still, his personal investment in the conflict compared to Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta was pretty weak when he spends the majority of the arc either fighting opponents that brought his friends so much trouble (and not even with the personal nature that Nappa killing his friends brought) or staying static in a confined space until the plot calls for him, with the angle of fighting for the Saiyan race being fairly tacked on with how he brings it up as a reason for wanting to defeat Freeza only to immediately follow up with a warm-up segment of the fight.

Gohan and Kuririn's personal investment wasn't that strong in the arc. Gohan's only tie to the Saiyan race was the fact that he was Goku's son, and Freeza hadn't even killed anyone Gohan knows personally until Kuririn (and Dende if you count him) - and that was near the end of the arc. Gohan and Kuririn had more INVOLVEMENT in the arc, but that's only because Goku was badly injured in the previous arc - and Goku himself regarded Freeza as the fight of his life after hearing of a being even stronger than Vegeta. Toriyama didn't do that bad of a job setting up Freeza as Goku's archnemesis, it's just that it's his writing style to make sure Goku is out of action until the final battle happens and that style was present as early as the Piccolo Daimao arc where everyone believed him to be dead following Tambourine until he showed up and saved Tenshinhan.

It also would've been impossible for AT to raise the stakes by having any of the Ginyu grunts kill the remainder of Goku's allies considering Gohan and Kuririn were the only ones to even survive the previous Saiyan arc battle, and without them the story just wouldn't flow. Personal stakes aren't a necessity in henchmen battles anyway, and the battles themselves at least served their role of foreshadowing Goku as the warrior of legend who was to become Super Saiyan. (As well as giving Vegeta incentive to want to catch up to Galu, which becomes a focal point in his character later down the line)

Especially when Goku's father was Bardock, the most persistent resistor against Freeza's destruction of Planet Vegeta.

If going by the TV Special, then yes. The manga is quite vague with Bardock's role beyond futilely standing up to Freeza, and even that segment was a pretty shoehorned way of showing how special Goku was.

The fact that Freeza remembers Bardock as a Saiyan who'd fought against him to the bitter end when he was just some nameless low-class suggests that Bardock was quite persistent in resisting Freeza.

"Aitsu da! Wakusei Bejiita wo horoboshita toki ni saigo made teiko wo shita ano Saiyajin ni sokkuri da...!

"It's him! He looks just like that Saiyan that resisted to the end when I destroyed Planet Vegeta!"

To make sure I'm not veering too much off topic though, I agree Vegeta's character was completely bastardized in the Cell arc. It'd have been fine if he'd only been acting this idiotic just after showing off his SSJ form, but he continues to be a retard for the rest of the arc and does more harm than good which goes against his more pragmatic character in the Freeza and Saiyan arcs. Perhaps that's why Freeza arc filler depicts him in such an unflattering light as this:

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I didn't have much of a problem with Gohan being the hero, by comparison... considering that he'd always shown the most potential out of anyone in the cast. The dumb pacifism that AT asspulled out of nowhere was what I found faulty. Gohan should've had no problem facing Cell, what they should've portrayed as problem should've been his unwillingness to actually kill Cell the same way Galu failed to kill Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The fact that Freeza remembers Bardock as a Saiyan who'd fought against him to the bitter end when he was just some nameless low-class suggests that Bardock was quite persistent in resisting Freeza.

Still, the fact that Freeza just suddenly remembers this random Saiyan from 20+ years ago that wasn't even a bump in the road for him and this tidbit got thrown out there to draw significance to both Goku and Bardock comes basically out of nowhere without any real build up, and is never brought up afterwards despite the narrative significance Bardock's role could have had when Freeza saw just how far the Saiyan's son had gotten when standing alone against him. Overall, it still plays out as a pretty forced cameo.

I didn't have much of a problem with Gohan being the hero, by comparison... considering that he'd always shown the most potential out of anyone in the cast.

In-universe, Goku's reasoning for having Gohan take the limelight is understandable. From a narrative perspective, however, Gohan's lack of a role in the Cell Arc until then and having far less personal investment in the Artificial Human problem than Goku or Trunks causes it to come out of left-field.
It would've been better had more focus been put on Goku and Gohan's time together leading up to the Cell Games as well as perhaps Gohan learning some skills in both fighting and mentality from Trunks as a nice poetic inversion as Trunks is the one to tutor his master's young self. Unfortunately, even anime filler didn't really help the former case and the latter interactions are minimal at best.

 

[ahill1]

The most damaging part of the character writing though, and what I'd say is the biggest problem of the arc is one particular scene - that in which everyone discusses what to do about Gero and choose not to intervene at the time when they could easily stop him. The reasoning of everyone but Bulma was incredibly weak when they know what will happen and they don't even have to kill Gero to prevent it and it comes off as pure cognitive-dissonance when later on, everyone is calling Vegeta out as an idiot for letting Cell gain his Perfect form when everyone but Bulma is making the same kind of mistake here. What's more, there's so much wasted potential with the ending as this could've been used as Goku's reasoning for remaining dead as penance, rather than the weak "I attract bad guys" excuse that has more going against it than supporting it (The RRA, Saiyans and Freeza would have all continued their ambitions with or without Goku's existence and he was the main reason they were all stopped).

That's a nice point I didn't even consider. Good angle to point out how, all in all, it seemed the same mistake Vegeta commited -- dishing out the opportunity to settle this in favor of testing their abilities and while Goku brought up how Gero hadn't done anything yet, killing him wasn't the only alternative, as you said.


On the Freeza vs Goku subject, it's also worth noting that Freeza stated that he feels a powerful Saiyajin is developing and might turn out to be an obstacle:

Chapter: 264
Page : 4
Context: : Freeza orders to call the Ginyu Special Force
Freeza : I've been thinking it over... I feel that a very powerful Saiyan is developing...and might eventually become a genuine threat... I had thought that it was Vegeta at first, but it has become less likely now..."

So along with what Kenshi said, it has at least good foreshadowing. And while Goku wasn't as invested as Vegeta was, he was still a Saiyajin, and having the-deemed not worthy Saiyajin, mocked by Vegeta himself, becoming the SSJ that Vegeta so much dreamed and defeating the responsible to extinguish almost the whole race, the responsible for having its king at his mercy and make Vegeta cry, seems like a good turn of events. His involvement in the arc wasn't big though, that much I agree. And you could maybe question his way into being made relevant at the final battle as contrived, or at least worth raising an eyebrow to.


And wow, I remember that scene of the anime (Kenshi posted), but didn't remember it being so tense. The soundtrack played at when Vegeta tries to make his escape is amazing. Very unflattering, although not as much as Movie 8 Vegeta being scolded by Piccolo

 

[Papasmurf]

The fact that Freeza remembers Bardock as a Saiyan who'd fought against him to the bitter end when he was just some nameless low-class suggests that Bardock was quite persistent in resisting Freeza.

Still, the fact that Freeza just suddenly remembers this random Saiyan from 20+ years ago that wasn't even a bump in the road for him and this tidbit got thrown out there to draw significance to both Goku and Bardock comes basically out of nowhere without any real build up, and is never brought up afterwards despite the narrative significance Bardock's role could have had when Freeza saw just how far the Saiyan's son had gotten when standing alone against him. Overall, it still plays out as a pretty forced cameo.

What build up does a cameo even need to have? Freeza remembers the event because a) taking out the Saiyans was clearly something he relishes as an accomplishment of his, if him bragging about killing someone as weak as King Vegeta is of any indication and b) Goku strongly resembles his father, which could easily trigger that memory. Bringing up Bardock later would also be thematically impractical when Freeza dies not too long after the battle on Namek and that resolved the conflict until Super kept bringing him back.

In-universe, Goku's reasoning for having Gohan take the limelight is understandable. From a narrative perspective, however, Gohan's lack of a role in the Cell Arc until then and having far less personal investment in the Artificial Human problem than Goku or Trunks causes it to come out of left-field.
It would've been better had more focus been put on Goku and Gohan's time together leading up to the Cell Games as well as perhaps Gohan learning some skills in both fighting and mentality from Trunks as a nice poetic inversion as Trunks is the one to tutor his master's young self. Unfortunately, even anime filler didn't really help the former case and the latter interactions are minimal at best.

The artificial humans honestly became pretty unrelated to the original RRA conflict upon Gero's death, so who took care of the mess ultimately meant little to me. I agree Trunks should've probably had a more active role, though. To AT's credit however, he did set up the plot twist of Gohan becoming the hero fairly well considering how much his editor(s) forced him to change his story, considering nobody suspected Goku would be anything but the hero to take down Cell and almost everybody was shocked at how powerful Gohan really was, including the readers themselves.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

On the Freeza vs Goku subject, it's also worth noting that Freeza stated that he feels a powerful Saiyajin is developing and might turn out to be an obstacle:

Chapter: 264
Page : 4
Context: : Freeza orders to call the Ginyu Special Force
Freeza : I've been thinking it over... I feel that a very powerful Saiyan is developing...and might eventually become a genuine threat... I had thought that it was Vegeta at first, but it has become less likely now..."

Whilst that was true, I wouldn't cite it as a good case of foreshadowing. It comes off as quite forced when Freeza has no real awareness of who it pertains to beyond some random feeling. That, and given the events at this point in the story, there was every bit as much chance of it referring to Gohan when he was the one actively on the planet at the time.
It could've worked if such intuitions had been made a general part of Freeza's character, perhaps being something linked to his strength in telekinetic abilities intersecting with telepathic specialities, though the result of what we're given comes off as a pretty overt way of telling the audience Goku will be the hero. The set up is there, but in a very artificial way.

Freeza remembers the event because a) taking out the Saiyans was clearly something he relishes as an accomplishment of his, if him bragging about killing someone as weak as King Vegeta is of any indication and b) Goku strongly resembles his father, which could easily trigger that memory.

Indeed, he remembers killing King Vegeta fondly - because he was the king of the Saiyans and represented the peak of their civilisation. That said, him remembering the appearance of some random low-class Saiyan who stood against him seems fairly off by comparison when considering he didn't accomplish anything of worth overall. It would've made more sense for Freeza to have some vague inkling of Goku seeming familiar, rather than suddenly realising he looks just like that one Saiyan who's name Freeza didn't even know.

The artificial humans honestly became pretty unrelated to the original RRA conflict upon Gero's death, so who took care of the mess ultimately meant little to me.

Whilst I agree somewhat with the former point, there was still some level of relevance as to who was best to kill Cell. Ever since the early stages of the arc, one prevailing theme was the idea that Cell embodies entirely by being the end result of Goku's growth and challenges in past battles being turned against him. Gohan still could've worked thematically as Cell's adversary if it had been made apparent how he was presented as better than his father by cleaning up the mistake he couldn't fix, though the closest thing to this comes a while after Cell is defeated and any attempt at this is ruined when Gohan actively makes a huge mistake through his arrogance that costs Goku his life.

Speaking of which, that's another problem with Gohan's character in the arc. Many bring up him dropping the ball against Cell, but that's nothing compared to him doing a 180 and quickly giving up when injured after having been somewhat responsible for Goku's death through his inability to try and get things done, not to mention spitting in the face of him accepting that he'd need to fight to protect what he values prior.

 

[Papasmurf]

Freeza remembers the event because a) taking out the Saiyans was clearly something he relishes as an accomplishment of his, if him bragging about killing someone as weak as King Vegeta is of any indication and b) Goku strongly resembles his father, which could easily trigger that memory.

Indeed, he remembers killing King Vegeta fondly - because he was the king of the Saiyans and represented the peak of their civilisation. That said, him remembering the appearance of some random low-class Saiyan who stood against him seems fairly off by comparison when considering he didn't accomplish anything of worth overall. It would've made more sense for Freeza to have some vague inkling of Goku seeming familiar, rather than suddenly realising he looks just like that one Saiyan who's name Freeza didn't even know.

That's why Freeza didn't know Bardock's name or anything, but you nitpicking his ability to recall someone who resisted him to the bitter end despite the obviously massive difference in power honestly comes off a bit excessive. The description of Bardock as the only random Saiyan to resist him to that extent also implies no one else did so, as well.

The artificial humans honestly became pretty unrelated to the original RRA conflict upon Gero's death, so who took care of the mess ultimately meant little to me.

Whilst I agree somewhat with the former point, there was still some level of relevance as to who was best to kill Cell. Ever since the early stages of the arc, one prevailing theme was the idea that Cell embodies entirely by being the end result of Goku's growth and challenges in past battles being turned against him. Gohan still could've worked thematically as Cell's adversary if it had been made apparent how he was presented as better than his father by cleaning up the mistake he couldn't fix, though the closest thing to this comes a while after Cell is defeated and any attempt at this is ruined when Gohan actively makes a huge mistake through his arrogance that costs Goku his life.

Speaking of which, that's another problem with Gohan's character in the arc. Many bring up him dropping the ball against Cell, but that's nothing compared to him doing a 180 and quickly giving up when injured after having been somewhat responsible for Goku's death through his inability to try and get things done, not to mention spitting in the face of him accepting that he'd need to fight to protect what he values prior.

Don't really disagree with any of this, except that I'd still call Goku's death necessary to the overall story and it shows that despite Trunks' intervention, everything didn't turn out to be sunsets and roses as Goku's death still came to pass.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's why Freeza didn't know Bardock's name or anything, but you nitpicking his ability to recall someone who resisted him to the bitter end despite the obviously massive difference in power honestly comes off a bit excessive. The description of Bardock as the only random Saiyan to resist him to that extent also implies no one else did so, as well.

This is true. Had Bardock been the only Saiyan to oppose Freeza in destroying Planet Vegeta, then it'd make sense for Freeza to vividly remember him, though we also know King Vegeta confronted him not long before then and most likely had rallied a few soldiers of his own, which would provide less impact in Bardock's actions.
I suppose you could say Bardock not being forced into such a royal decree as the other Saiyans is what sparked Freeza's interest, and Super does support the idea of Freeza having a good memory when it comes to minute pieces of information such as his father mentioning Majin Boo in passing. Of course, if we're to include Super, we also have the new "canon" confrontation of Bardock and Freeza being Bardock facing him from even further away and seemingly not being alone 2

Don't really disagree with any of this, except that I'd still call Goku's death necessary to the overall story and it shows that despite Trunks' intervention, everything didn't turn out to be sunsets and roses as Goku's death still came to pass.

Goku could still be the main focus whilst also dying. You could've even had the best of both worlds if Cell's self-destruction had been his death, which would be a lot more consistent than the mountain of contrivances we got in him suddenly coming back even stronger than before despite the explosion being detonated from inside his body whilst having learned Shunkan Ido on top of that.

 

[ahill1]

Whilst that was true, I wouldn't cite it as a good case of foreshadowing. It comes off as quite forced when Freeza has no real awareness of who it pertains to beyond some random feeling. That, and given the events at this point in the story, there was every bit as much chance of it referring to Gohan when he was the one actively on the planet at the time.
It could've worked if such intuitions had been made a general part of Freeza's character, perhaps being something linked to his strength in telekinetic abilities intersecting with telepathic specialities, though the result of what we're given comes off as a pretty overt way of telling the audience Goku will be the hero. The set up is there, but in a very artificial way.

Well, like you said, it was a feeling. Seemed more like a premonition, a gut feeling. Zarbon even called him out in the irrationality of it, but Freeza remained persistent. It could be Gohan, but with the whole theme of Goku taking on an unprecedent training and heading to help them, most would associate it to Goku. He doesn't know who he is feeling, and the statement of "I fear that Saiyajin from Earth and his son" would come off as silly, specially since Zarbon pointed out they should be weaker than Vegeta.

 

[Papasmurf]

That's why Freeza didn't know Bardock's name or anything, but you nitpicking his ability to recall someone who resisted him to the bitter end despite the obviously massive difference in power honestly comes off a bit excessive. The description of Bardock as the only random Saiyan to resist him to that extent also implies no one else did so, as well.

This is true. Had Bardock been the only Saiyan to oppose Freeza in destroying Planet Vegeta, then it'd make sense for Freeza to vividly remember him, though we also know King Vegeta confronted him not long before then and most likely had rallied a few soldiers of his own, which would provide less impact in Bardock's actions.

Well, it's only expected for a king of an entire race to retaliate when their oppressor randomly decides to eradicate them out of nowhere.

I suppose you could say Bardock not being forced into such a royal decree as the other Saiyans is what sparked Freeza's interest, and Super does support the idea of Freeza having a good memory when it comes to minute pieces of information such as his father mentioning Majin Boo in passing. Of course, if we're to include Super, we also have the new "canon" confrontation of Bardock and Freeza being Bardock facing him from even further away and seemingly not being alone 2

Super's retardation shows in that it can't even follow the manga panel's original depiction of Bardock wearing his GOAT headband. 2 2

Don't really disagree with any of this, except that I'd still call Goku's death necessary to the overall story and it shows that despite Trunks' intervention, everything didn't turn out to be sunsets and roses as Goku's death still came to pass.

Goku could still be the main focus whilst also dying. You could've even had the best of both worlds if Cell's self-destruction had been his death, which would be a lot more consistent than the mountain of contrivances we got in him suddenly coming back even stronger than before despite the explosion being detonated from inside his body whilst having learned Shunkan Ido on top of that.

I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with this seeing as it gave SSJ2 Gohan an actual challenge to overcome and Vegetas reaction to Trunks' death marked a change in his character arc.... if the bullshit "Cell's core is in his head" plothole weren't so fucking obvious. :mikey

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with this seeing as it gave SSJ2 Gohan an actual challenge to overcome and Vegetas reaction to Trunks' death marked a change in his character arc.... if the bullshit "Cell's core is in his head" plothole weren't so fucking obvious. :mikey

It's not just the Cell's core plot hole that's the problem, but also how much else the audience are forced to swallow all at once. Not only did he survive an explosion that eradicated all trace of Goku, Kaio and co. despite being the epicentre of the blast, but he even gained Shunkan Ido as part of his Zenkai because...plot. Even the prodigy that was Galu needed a year to master it, yet apparently Cell can just integrate it into his genes just like that?
The Zenkai at least makes sense and I suppose you could assume the whole thing about Cell's core was more to do with it being a failsafe when regular regeneration wasn't enough as opposed to being the entire control system for the ability, though having him gain all these perks at once comes off as jarring and him being completely eradicated by the Kamehameha despite enduring being enveloped by his own self-destruction is a tad contrived.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well, it's not like you can't draw your own headcanon to explain some aspects of the asspull. Cell is a genetically engineered being with a mountain of techniques derived from genetic material including Galu's, so if you were to assume he somehow absorbed Galu's genetic material, it does explain how he obtained Shunkan Ido. The anime also surprisingly improved the Kamehameha beam struggle significantly by having the others participate in attacking Cell as well as showing Cell's core being obliterated when he was finally bested.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I guess Cell's sudden acquisition of Shunkan Ido is more plausible with what information has been made apparent on Freeza's ability when it comes to GAINZ :rape

 

[Papasmurf]

In b4 Toriyama canonizes #21 and brings back Cell in the next DBS movie 2

 

[ahill1]

I wonder why Toriyama even gave Cell Shunkan Idou. It's not like it played a factor on his last struggle and he could have just flown to the battle quickly.

 

[Papasmurf]

I wonder why Toriyama even gave Cell Shunkan Idou. It's not like it played a factor on his last struggle and he could have just flown to the battle quickly.

His body would've regenerated in the afterlife. You can't come back from there unless you have someone like Kami or Baba to teleport you back to Earth, or if you can just teleport yourself back.

 

[ahill1]

I wonder why Toriyama even gave Cell Shunkan Idou. It's not like it played a factor on his last struggle and he could have just flown to the battle quickly.

His body would've regenerated in the afterlife. You can't come back from there unless you have someone like Kami or Baba to teleport you back to Earth, or if you can just teleport yourself back.

Oh yeah, forgot to consider he exploded in Kaio's planet.