Match Level vs Battle Level

[p123]

What's the difference here?

 

[Animelover5487]

1.2-1.25x. It is a standard power up.

 

[p123]

Based on what?

 

[Animelover5487]

Based on Goku going from somewhat weaker than Ten to slightly stronger.

 

[p123]

He didn't appear all that weaker to me initially. They are about the same level. Then he is completely manhandling Tien. Why do you think that's only a 1.25x gap, looks like a 1.5x gap to me...

 

[Animelover5487]

Tenshinhan was using his full strength though. Ten said that he would have a somewhat entertaining fight against Match Level Goku so Match Level Goku isn't far from Ten.

Match Level Goku: 80

Tenshinhan: 96

Battle Level Goku: 100

 

[p123]

Nothing about Tien vs Match Level Goku suggested there was that sort of difference though. And Tien had to alter his power. Tien hit Match Level Goku with everything he had and did zero damage, Battle Level Goku hit Initial Tien and hurt him pretty badly.

 

[Animelover5487]

Nothing about Tien vs Match Level Goku suggested there was that sort of difference though. And Tien had to alter his power. Tien hit Match Level Goku with everything he had and did zero damage, Battle Level Goku hit Initial Tien and hurt him pretty badly.

What hit hurt Ten pretty badly? If you're talking about the punch to the gut that was because Ten thought he blinded Goku with his Taiyoken but Goku caught him off-guard since he had Roshi's sunglasses.

 

[p123]

Battle Level Goku vs Initial Tien looks like a much bigger gap than Powered Up Jackie Chun vs Initial Tien. And that power up is suggested to be enough of a difference for someone to go noticeably lower than Tsuru, to significantly higher. Checkmate.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Do you think the FP Roshi/FP Tien gap was retconned?

 

[p123]

I wouldn't call it a retcon, it's the advancement of the story. It changes as it goes along at times.

Roshi is suggested to be able to put up a good fight, but will ultimately lose against Tien.

Then Roshi can't even see Match Level Goku, who Tien can barely see.

Then Battle Level Goku is way above Match Level Goku...

It's a really tough situation to figure out honestly. Also if you Roshi can't see Match Level Goku, doesn't that imply it's not just a little difference? Isn't that suggested that there's a huge difference between those two? What a messy situation.

Shouldn't it really be this?


Battle Level Goku >= FP Tien >> Initial Tien ~ Match Level Goku >> Roshi??

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1.33-1.5x IMO.

 

[p123]

@ GS

Show me the fight that mimics Battle Level Goku vs Initial Tien.

I think Tambourine vs Healed Goku is about the same. What's the gap you have for Tambourine v Goku?

 

[Castiel]

Tenshinhan also supposedly has very good eyesight, with his third eye and all. Krillin even comments on it at the end of the 23rd Budokai, so the gap between Roshi and Tenshinhan doesn't have to be big based on that.

Sort of crapshotting with numbers here, but:

Roshi: 10
Initial Tenshinhan: 11 (10% stronger than Roshi, clearly has the upper hand but he isn't stomping by any means)
Match Level Goku: 11
FP Tenshinhan: 13
Battle Level Goku: 14.75

Maybe something like that? It would be a 33% increase.

 

[p123]

A 1.33x increase is fine, just find me the battles that replicate it. Do you think Tambourine vs Goku is a 1.33x gap? Welcome to a new level of debating.

 

[Castiel]

Thank you! This is all very new for me, I hope I can learn the mechanisms well. It's fun.

As for Goku vs Tambourine... I think it could work, I'm looking at Herms' strength checker but there's not much helping me. I think Goku's Match Level is what he displayed against Yajirobei. He clearly powered up for the fight against Tambourine as Yajirobei is sort of intimidated by Goku's full power.

If Goku's Match Level is above Cymbal then I have no problems with his Battle Power level being enough to curbstomp Tambourine.


What do you think about Piccolo's increase of power against Krillin at the 23rd, P? Could that work as a 1.33x increase?

 

[p123]

What I'm asking is to compare these two fights.

(Healed Goku v Tambourine) Vs (Battle Level Goku vs Initial Tien)

Tell me which fight showed more superiority and why. How much more superiority. And so on.

 

[Castiel]

Dunno by how much, but I think Goku vs Tambourine has a slightly bigger gap. Tambourine was actually struggling to get up after the beatdown Goku gave him, while Tenshinhan only had to catch his breath.



Goku also held his hand in the victory sign over Tambourine's head, he was completely confident he had pretty much already won. After he dodges the blast he also says something like "there's no way you could have hit me with that!".

 

[p123]

Ok, how big do you have the gap between Tambourine and Goku?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I wouldn't call it a retcon, it's the advancement of the story. It changes as it goes along at times.

Roshi is suggested to be able to put up a good fight, but will ultimately lose against Tien.

Then Roshi can't even see Match Level Goku, who Tien can barely see.

Then Battle Level Goku is way above Match Level Goku...

It's a really tough situation to figure out honestly. Also if you Roshi can't see Match Level Goku, doesn't that imply it's not just a little difference? Isn't that suggested that there's a huge difference between those two? What a messy situation.

Shouldn't it really be this?


Battle Level Goku >= FP Tien >> Initial Tien ~ Match Level Goku >> Roshi??

Nevertheless, 1.5x is an insta stomp gap. No way Battle Level Goku/Tien is that much.
Goku stated that move he used to finish off Krillin was a technique, so it wasn't only
because of his speed that Roshi couldn't see him.
Roshi<=Match Level, that much is confirmed. Maybe i reconsider my Match-Battle gaps
later.