Match Level vs Battle Level

[p123]

Yea, from what I could see, Battle Level Goku vs Initial Tien was an instant stomp. If Tien had no other power backing him, he'd be done for. Luckily he has reserves, which help him survive the onslaught. Initial Tien vs Battle Level Goku looked horrible, Tien is completely blindsided and he was going to get put down very quickly. This is different than Match Level Goku vs Initial Tien, who capitalized on an opening and went full bore with the offense while Goku allowed Tien to tee off. Also notice how Goku receives no damage at all, while Tien needs a little time to shake off the beating.

Withheld, it's a nightmare situation, but I think we can come up with something feasible. We should also have a Goku/Piccolo damage ki levels, Goku/Cell damage ki levels section the 23rd Budokai and Cell Game.

 

[SSJ2]

I think Battle level is a good 1.6x stronger than Tournament level

 

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Yea, from what I could see, Battle Level Goku vs Initial Tien was an instant stomp. If Tien had no other power backing him, he'd be done for. Luckily he has reserves, which help him survive the onslaught. Initial Tien vs Battle Level Goku looked horrible, Tien is completely blindsided and he was going to get put down very quickly. This is different than Match Level Goku vs Initial Tien, who capitalized on an opening and went full bore with the offense while Goku allowed Tien to tee off. Also notice how Goku receives no damage at all, while Tien needs a little time to shake off the beating.

Withheld, it's a nightmare situation, but I think we can come up with something feasible. We should also have a Goku/Piccolo damage ki levels, Goku/Cell damage ki levels section the 23rd Budokai and Cell Game.

In that case, should we also say that Enraged Gohan vs Initial 2nd Freeza is 1.5x, Warm Up Piccolo Jr vs Warm Up Goku is 1.5x and so on?
Why don't you just accept that Tien was caught by surprise and received a few hits?

 

[p123]

With Enraged Gohan vs Initial 2nd Form Freeza, I can see your point. However, I do want to add that (BL Goku > Initial Tien) > (Gohan > Freeza), in damage and ability to recover. Tien needs some time to fully recover, while Freeza recovers right away.

I do have to question why exactly Tien was caught off guard? Goku announces he will alter his level, Tien breathlessly waits in anticipation. And then Tien gets shit fucked.

Can you explain exactly how he was caught off guard here? He literally states he is on guard, in preparation for a new power. That's really what I'm having an issue with with your point here. Where is he caught by surprise?

Match Level Goku vs Initial Tien is the same level, do you agree or disagree?

Warm Up Piccolo Jr vs Warm Up Goku is a bad example on your part imo. Piccolo gains the advantage and spams ki blasts on Goku. That is just Piccolo edging Goku out on equal power levels. I don't see how that's a factor here.

Show me numerically how you would set up Goku/Tien?

 

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Can you explain exactly how he was caught off guard here? He literally states he is on guard, in preparation for a new power. That's really what I'm having an issue with with your point here. Where is he caught by surprise?

Read that part again. Tenshinhan does not believe Goku has another level of power.

 

[p123]

Tien "I'm breathless with anticipation. Bring it on!"

While Tien might not believe Goku, he's absolutely preparing himself for what may come. Goku is simply too fast and powerful for Tien to react appropriately.

Now, Jackie Chun vs Tien is an example of what true surprise looks like and what do you know Tien is not nearly as affected by Jackie Chun's attack as he was by Goku's.

How do you explain that?

(Battle Level Goku > Initial Tien) > (Jackie Chun, Serious > Initial Tien)

Tien is more surprised by Jackie Chun, then Goku. Checkmate!

 

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Tien "I'm breathless with anticipation. Bring it on!"

While Tien might not believe Goku, he's absolutely preparing himself for what may come. Goku is simply too fast and powerful for Tien to react appropriately.

Now, Jackie Chun vs Tien is an example of what true surprise looks like and what do you know Tien is not nearly as affected by Jackie Chun's attack as he was by Goku's.

How do you explain that?

(Battle Level Goku > Initial Tien) > (Jackie Chun, Serious > Initial Tien)

Tien is more surprised by Jackie Chun, then Goku. Checkmate!

Tenshinhan's statement in his head: 'I might have an enjoyable fight' implies that, even if he initially held back
against Goku, it wasn't by a great amount. I don't think 1.5x a gap is required for what Goku did. Remember
Yamcha's WFF against BODB Goku.
How about that?

Match Level- 84
Initial Tien- 90
Battle Level- 105
FP Tien- 100