Mega Charizard X vs. Mega Charizard Y

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yeah d claws works too, who the poop cares about type coverage, when you cant kill
at the end of the day X can kill more and better and thats all that matters
 

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How can Charizard Y not kill? Most of Water/Rock types that aren't faster than me get one-shotted by Solar Beam. Flamethrower two-shots almost anything that can't resist it, and Focus Blast when it hits does a good amount of damage.

Charizard Y's SpD is also better than Charizard X's Def.
 

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Yeah, plus Charizard X has to set up to kill. Charizard Y can just immediately go ham on the opposing team.
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
After looking over the base stats I'd actually have to say Mewtwo Y is better than Mewtwo X. Seems Y has overall better mega evolutions. :)
There's a reason I dropped my Mewtwonite X as soon as I got the Y stone from Ioshee ;)
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
How can Charizard Y not kill? Most of Water/Rock types that aren't faster than me get one-shotted by Solar Beam.
X can kill more, Y while has has drought and has great coverage doesnt HIT as hard and cant kill as much
i dont see the problem here ?
 

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How does it not hit as hard? Its SpA is higher than Charizard X's Atk, by a considerable amount.
 

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Yoshi said:
Yeah, plus Charizard X has to set up to kill. Charizard Y can just immediately go ham on the opposing team.
The thing is Y has to be very selective in when to come out. It can't play the switch game because it has 4x weakness to stealth rock. Charizard Y can't even hurt a Garchmop. All someone needs to do is bring Garchmop in and throw in rocks and Charizard Y is over on the spot. Tyranitar has the same affect. A timid Charizard Y Focus blast won't even 2hko it, assuming it hits both times.

I would consider Charizard Y a top tier uber if it was a least as fast as Mega Lopunny or Manectric.
 

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Yeah, Stealth Rock hurts its potential. I imagine for it to sweep it has to have a Speed increasing nature like Timid too, because of its poor defensive typing.
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
How does it not hit as hard? Its SpA is higher than Charizard X's Atk.
its not just about looking at stats and saying ones better ur stat watching
x has an easier time coming in, x2 weak to stealth rocks vs x4 for Y, can usually set up DD
add that to tough claws x can hit almost everything pretty hard, Y cant do that
you just gotta play more you can see the difference when you play Y is fragile even if its stats are similar to X
 

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You said X hits harder, not that it's more effective when switching in. Hitting hard refers specifically to how much damage it does.

As for bulk, aside from Stealth Rock antics, X doesn't have a big advantage over Y in that department. Even against Special Attack foes Y has the advantage with higher SpD, and no Fairy (which is now a common type) weakness. You're focusing solely on a scenario where there is Stealth Rock set up.

Using Dragon Dance takes up a whole turn, which leaves Charizard X open to attacks.
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
You said X hits harder, not that it's more effective when switching in. Hitting hard refers specifically to how much damage it does.

As for bulk, aside from Stealth Rock antics, X doesn't have a big advantage over Y in that department. Even against Special Attack foes Y has the advantage with higher SpD, and no Fairy (which is now a common type) weakness. You're focusing solely on a scenario where there is Stealth Rock set up.

Using Dragon Dance takes up a whole turn, which leaves Charizard X open to attacks.
thing is X can take an attack no problem a lot of the times, so he can set up easier
his potential is much greater, if ur a smart player like itachi he knows when to switch in and set up charizard making him far more useful then Y
im not gonna argue much more, Y is great but if you play competitively, you will know why X is better most times
 

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For the sake of boredom here's a list vs the rest of megas. It seems like Charizard wins most, lol

Mega Beedril - Beedril wins if user is adamant. Must use protect first though, to allow speed to kick in.
Mega Pidgeot - Charizard wins unless user gets lucky with a confusion and hit
Mega Slowbro - Charizard wins. Very small solar beam chance not to OHKO
Mega Steelix - Charizard wins. No explanation needed.
Mega Sceptile - Charizard wins easy
Mega Swampert - Charizard easy

I guess it's very good 1v1. I remember winning quite a few battles with in on 1v1 mode in showdown. I still don't think it's that useful competitively, unless you're really good at building your team around it to set it up to sweep late game.

If someone wants to continue the list: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution
 

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I do play competitively. I've used both but my answer of who has given me more success will come out biased as I've used Y much more than X.

I know it kind of ruins the point of this thread, but I say that both Charizards are good and one can be more useful than other depending on who you're up against. You're acting like Stealth Rock is in every single battle (and that it can't be easily removed with Rapid Spin), and that Fairy Pokémon like Sylveon, Clefable, Altaria, Gardevoir, and Klefki are never used.
 

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Itachi said:
For the sake of boredom here's a list vs the rest of megas. It seems like Charizard wins most, lol

Mega Beedril - Beedril wins if user is adamant. Must use protect first though, to allow speed to kick in.
Mega Pidgeot - Charizard wins unless user gets lucky with a confusion and hit
Mega Slowbro - Charizard wins. Very small solar beam chance not to OHKO
Mega Steelix - Charizard wins. No explanation needed.
Mega Sceptile - Charizard wins easy
Mega Swampert - Charizard easy

I guess it's very good 1v1. I remember winning quite a few battles with in on 1v1 mode in showdown. I still don't think it's that useful competitively, unless you're really good at building your team around it to set it up to sweep late game.

If someone wants to continue the list: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution
I agree it's not the best mega or up there but charizard himself x or y itachi ?
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
You said X hits harder, not that it's more effective when switching in. Hitting hard refers specifically to how much damage it does.

As for bulk, aside from Stealth Rock antics, X doesn't have a big advantage over Y in that department. Even against Special Attack foes Y has the advantage with higher SpD, and no Fairy (which is now a common type) weakness. You're focusing solely on a scenario where there is Stealth Rock set up.

Using Dragon Dance takes up a whole turn, which leaves Charizard X open to attacks.
Regardless if we're speaking strictly sweeping here, then a turn wasted is fine in the long run because now you're faster than all your opponents. The turn lost ultimately means more turns in the long run because you're going first. You don't need to fear any serious priority moves like technician boosted bullet punch or aqua jet because BP is already neutralized by fire and aqua jet is neutralized by dragon.
 

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Also, Charizard X is not FAR more useful than Charizard Y... As Mike said, both have their uses. It seems Charizard Y is still superior with some prediction, though.
 

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Subordinate Orlen said:
I do play competitively. I've used both but my answer of who has given me more success will come out biased as I've used Y much more than X.

I know it kind of ruins the point of this thread, but I say that both Charizards are good and one can be more useful than other depending on who you're up against. You're acting like Stealth Rock is in every single battle (and that it can't be easily removed with Rapid Spin), and that Fairy Pokémon like Sylveon, Clefable, Altaria, Gardevoir, and Klefki are never used.
Rapid spin is a very dangerous move if you're playing a hyper offense team. If you can predict it it'd be a perfect time to get up a DD. Also I don't see the point with fairy pokemon since fairy weakness is neutralized by fire. I don't think anyone is specifically looking to use slow fairies against fire pokemon. Only exception I can think of Mega Diance, who beats out Charizard Y anyway because of a better base speed.
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Itachi said:
For the sake of boredom here's a list vs the rest of megas. It seems like Charizard wins most, lol

Mega Beedril - Beedril wins if user is adamant. Must use protect first though, to allow speed to kick in.
Mega Pidgeot - Charizard wins unless user gets lucky with a confusion and hit
Mega Slowbro - Charizard wins. Very small solar beam chance not to OHKO
Mega Steelix - Charizard wins. No explanation needed.
Mega Sceptile - Charizard wins easy
Mega Swampert - Charizard easy

I guess it's very good 1v1. I remember winning quite a few battles with in on 1v1 mode in showdown. I still don't think it's that useful competitively, unless you're really good at building your team around it to set it up to sweep late game.

If someone wants to continue the list: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution
I agree it's not the best mega or up there but charizard himself x or y itachi ?
I prefer X because of DD+ tough claws. You only get one mega and it should be an unstoppable sweeper, imo.
 

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Yup itachi summed it up, the DD that you get is crucial it gives the speed it needs to overtake the game, and u will still see switches
So you can often get another DD or roost to heal
 

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After doing a few online battles with Charizard X, I concede that he is better. I've been sweeping teams with him alone.
 
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