Merged Zamasu Halo vs Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu)? Who of them 2 is more powerful?
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Didn't this fight already happen? Halo MZ is stronger, Zamasu was likely still holding back vs Goku's KHH.
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What I've always understand from this is that Zamasu's arrogance & the fact that he underestimated saiyans/mortals potential made him lost that beam struggle against ssjb Goku. After that, it was never stated that he got stronger or that his ki increased and still Goku & Vegeta considered Vegetto as their only chance to prevail, the most Goku did was making him get angry actually.
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I think maybe the Kamehameha was amplified a lot.
By the way, do you think Goku used SSJB Kaioken x10 against Merged Zamasu Halo?
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He used it when he kicked him so I don't see why he wouldn't use it when he fired the KHH. It would definitely make more sense than Goku randomly getting so strong.
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You mean Goku used SSJB Kaioken x10 when he threw the Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu Halo?
However, SSJB Goku didn't use any variation of Kaioken when he cast it. The Saiyans were steadily getting stronger and the Kamehameha might have been a highly amped-up attack at the time.
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I think Goku loses without Kaio-Ken, but he's probably not far. His kicks were doing some nasty damage, but once Zamasu grabbed his foot he knew he had to use Kaio-Ken. He's probably between Merged Zamasu (Initial) and Merged Zamasu (Halo).
I think that was the case in the beam struggle with Vegeta with Trunks since he blocks the blast with no damage when he loses. He probably was pretty serious on Goku given how pissed off he was though.
How does Goku kicking Zamasu's face in after the beam struggle suggests Zamasu held back? He even complains he's too weak to beat the Saiyans and summons the Light of Justice to get stronger.
I think that was the case in the beam struggle with Vegeta with Trunks since he blocks the blast with no damage when he loses. He probably was pretty serious on Goku given how pissed off he was though.
How does Goku kicking Zamasu's face in after the beam struggle suggests Zamasu held back? He even complains he's too weak to beat the Saiyans and summons the Light of Justice to get stronger.
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I dont think being angry means something Semi perfect Cell was angry with tenshinhan after receiving the shin kikoho, even tho it doesn´t cause him any damage neither that attack was on Cell's level, perhaps at that point he still considered them as non threats and after that, he watched them as threats.
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It's heavily suggested that Merged Zamasu was using more and more of his power throughout the fight until the end where the Saiyans evolved even further beyond what he expected. Not only was Merged Zamasu showing signs of effort such as screaming, tensing his body, and gritting his teeth but the narrator in Episode 66 explicitly states that Zamasu had displayed "overwhelming power" but then goes on to say that the combined Galick Gun from Trunks and Vegeta and Goku's Limit-Breaking Kamehamehama "began to bear down on Zamasu". The subtext given is that Merged Zamasu was completely dominate over the Saiyans at the beginning but as the Saiyans began to evolve and used their strongest attacks, Zamasu's dominance over the Saiyans had diminished completely.
In response to the thread, Goku still doesn't have a way to bypass Zamasu's immortality and without Kaioken, he would have been in trouble. He's still relatively close since he delivered managed to overpower Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath, landed some hefty blows on Zamasu without the use of his arms, and he was very low on stamina to boot. But he wouldn't win since Zamasu didn't break his limits in the same way Goku did and he's still immortal.
In response to the thread, Goku still doesn't have a way to bypass Zamasu's immortality and without Kaioken, he would have been in trouble. He's still relatively close since he delivered managed to overpower Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath, landed some hefty blows on Zamasu without the use of his arms, and he was very low on stamina to boot. But he wouldn't win since Zamasu didn't break his limits in the same way Goku did and he's still immortal.
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Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath against Future Trunks and Vegeta was an amplified attack?
At least we know that Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath FP against Goku was indeed an amplified attack.
It will be then:
Goku SSJB (Kamehameha) > Merged Zamasu Halo (Holy Wrath vs Goku) > Future Trunks SSJRage + Vegeta SSJB (Galick Ho FP) > Merged Zamasu Halo (Holy Wrath vs Future Trunks and Vegeta) > Future Trunks SSJRage + Vegeta SSJB (Galick Ho ) > Merged Zamasu Halo >>> Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu) > Merged Zamasu > Vegeta SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu) > Future Trunks SSJRage (Peak)?
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I think you should stop thinking of it as Zamasu using amplified attacks and more like the amount of power Zamasu is using against the Saiyans. I would phrase it like this:
Merged Zamasu Halo (Full Power) > SSJB Goku (Peak) > SSJ Rage Trunks + SSJB Vegeta (Beyond Limits) > Merged Zamasu (vs. Trunks and Vegeta) > SSJ Rage Trunks + SSJB Vegeta > SSJ Rage Trunks (Peak) ~ SSJB Vegeta (Peak) > Merged Zamasu (Initial) > SSJR Goku Black (Peak)
I think referring to it as amplification will just confuse you. We don't really compare fighters' strengths to each other by their ki amplification anyways.
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And on that list, where would you place Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (U6 Tournament) and Hit (Peak U6 Tournament)?
