Moro vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)

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Moro oneshots. He's above Merus who can speedblitz Current Base Goku/Vegeta and given Goku's performance in the fight with Hit, his base form shouldn't be much more than maybe 25-30x weaker than his SSB form.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Moro oneshots. He's above Merus who can speedblitz Current Base Goku/Vegeta and given Goku's performance in the fight with Hit, his base form shouldn't be much more than maybe 25-30x weaker than his SSB form.

Yeah but the Grand Kaioshin was able to seal him using all his power and he isn't much stronger than Pure Boo.
 

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The Kaio-Shin lost most of his power fighting Moro and using his technique that's why Boo was barely able to defeat him.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Moro oneshots. He's above Merus who can speedblitz Current Base Goku/Vegeta and given Goku's performance in the fight with Hit, his base form shouldn't be much more than maybe 25-30x weaker than his SSB form.

Can he actually speedblitz them when they're on-guard for it and know what he's capable of?
 

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Animelover5487 said:
Yeah but the Grand Kaioshin was able to seal him using all his power and he isn't much stronger than Pure Boo.
It was stated that Dai Kaioshin relinquished most of his Godly power to do so and the way it was worded suggested it was permanent, implying Dai Kaioshin used to be leagues stronger prior to sacrificing most of his power for the Kai Kai Matoru.

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Can he actually speedblitz them when they're on-guard for it and know what he's capable of?
Vegeta confirms such when thinking it wasn't some off-guard fluke and Merus is indeed a skilled fighter.
 

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At first I thought Moro was a monkey, until toward the end where the hoodie was off and you saw the horns.
 

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Moro is the new bad guy. For him to be a threat at all to Goku and the others, the plot requires him to be much stronger than Gotenks. It's a stomp.
 

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^Not just that, but Merus stated Moro was rapidly getting stronger, so comparing the Moro from 10 million years ago to the current one is far from fair.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
^Not just that, but Merus stated Moro was rapidly getting stronger, so comparing the Moro from 10 million years ago to the current one is far from fair.

Even then, the fact that nobody could kill Moro despite the fact he was deprived of magic says a lot about his power.
 

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Moro. Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin together couldn't defeat him and forced Dai Kaioshin to use that magic technique.
 

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Moro. Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin together couldn't defeat him and forced Dai Kaioshin to use that magic technique.
Not just that, but Pre-Kai Kai Matoru Dai Kaioshin was likely vastly superior to the one Boo absorbed. It's stated he lost most of his "Godly power" after using it, implying it was a permanent loss and that he may have been on par with other God Ki tiers beforehand.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Animelover5487 said:
Yeah but the Grand Kaioshin was able to seal him using all his power and he isn't much stronger than Pure Boo.
It was stated that Dai Kaioshin relinquished most of his Godly power to do so and the way it was worded suggested it was permanent, implying Dai Kaioshin used to be leagues stronger prior to sacrificing most of his power for the Kai Kai Matoru.
East Kaioshin stated South Kaioshin was the strongest, which is supported by the Daizenshuu, so if we use this logic, wouldn't South Kaioshin have been far more powerful in the past too? He would need to be above Dai Kaioshin's best.
Vegeta confirms such when thinking it wasn't some off-guard fluke and Merus is indeed a skilled fighter.
I suppose I should actually read the recent chapters... :cry:
 

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Pyro said:
East Kaioshin stated South Kaioshin was the strongest, which is supported by the Daizenshuu, so if we use this logic, wouldn't South Kaioshin have been far more powerful in the past too? He would need to be above Dai Kaioshin's best.

South Kaioshin was the strongest at the time East Kaioshin knew both. That doesn't mean it was always that way. In fact, Dai Kaioshin sacrificing the majority of his power is probably why South is the strongest.
 

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Tapion said:
Pyro said:
East Kaioshin stated South Kaioshin was the strongest, which is supported by the Daizenshuu, so if we use this logic, wouldn't South Kaioshin have been far more powerful in the past too? He would need to be above Dai Kaioshin's best.

South Kaioshin was the strongest at the time East Kaioshin knew both. That doesn't mean it was always that way. In fact, Dai Kaioshin sacrificing the majority of his power is probably why South is the strongest.

Who are we to say that? Why couldn't South Kaioshin have always been the strongest?
 

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Pyro said:
Who are we to say that? Why couldn't South Kaioshin have always been the strongest?

Because of status, I think.
 

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