Most accurate Dragon Ball Battle Powers [with explanations]

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I am fine with just assuming his power was magically retconed to relevance, ala Ginyu being only surpassed by Zenkai Goku. I think Freeza received this same treatment on both Android Arc and BoGs. Either that or Tao being overrated because of reputation/dirty tatics like the grenade issue. Perhaps Tsuru assumed Tao could use the Kikoho as a suicide move, but i think it's going too far to assume that.

The real thing here is, Goku thinks his fight with Kuririn was better than his with Tao, but Tsuru only thinks Goku might have the power to defeat Tao when he speed blitz Kuririn at the end of the fight.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I actually know where to find the best Dragon Ball power levels list, it's called Dragon Ball and it's 42 volumes long. Worth a read if you want to know everything there is to know about battle powers, and where everyone ranks.

 

[p123]

Nice, this should be stickied.

 

[ahill1]

I will do the 23rd Budokai tomorrow. No more procrastination.

 

[p123]

After Goku beats Pamput, Tien thinks he might have beaten Tao Pai Pai. Also, the funnest fight means nothing in regards to power.

Goku (Initial) >= Krillen >= Yamcha/Chaozu >= King Chappa > Goku (Post Korin Trained) >>= Tao Pai Pai

Tao Pai Pai is surpassed by all of them rather quickly.

 

[ahill1]

Tao Pai Pai should be fodder by the 22nd Budokai. prime Tao Pai Pai though...

 

[p123]

Yes. Exactly.

I do disagree with you that Goku has to be the strongest human ever. How else can PD make a determination for about as far as a human can go unless someone else has been in that range? I don't think Goku got all that substantial of a zenkai, if he got one at all and I think Mutaito is probably still right there.

 

[ahill1]

Well, if Goku is the farthest a human could go, it means no other human has gone that far, no? I take that to mean that Goku (fighting Piccolo) is above Mutaito. Since the latter was at least kind of implied to be above 22nd Budokai Goku, Goku would have to have gotten a considerable boost to accomodate such implications.

 

[p123]

Goku is "about as far as a human can go".

If he was as strong as Mutaito, he'd be "further than any human has gone".

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I will do the 23rd Budokai tomorrow. No more procrastination.

 

[p123]

Damn you ahill. I adopted one of your theories. Bastard... But I put a better spin on it.

Goku's zenkai from Tambourine should be substantial enough to cover some real power. It's good to make PD a bigger badass initially and it's good to cover Goku being around Prime Roshi/Shen and Mutaito. This is what I got now...


Mutaito 3,500
Goku 3,000
PD 2,750
Goku 2,250
Tien 2,200


But yea, let's see what he has for the 23rd Budokai. Lazy ass!

 

[ahill1]

So Mutaito > post 22nd Budokai Goku?

 

[p123]

Yea, I like to think that's badass. Give the strongest human of all time some respect.

That's about as far as a human can go. PD knows this because Mutaito, the greatest of all time, was only a fair bit stronger. It looks badass.

 

[ahill1]

If Mutaito is stronger than Goku, then Goku wouldn't be "as far as a human can go"... he would be lower than that.

 

[p123]

Piccolo is "About as far as a human can go"

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo is "About as far as a human can go"

Is Piccolo considering himself as human though?

 

[p123]

Of course not. How does Piccolo know it's as far as a human can go? Because he's around the same power as the strongest human to ever live. That's how Piccolo makes his assessment. Whether Goku is stronger or Mutaito is, it's irrelevant. They are both maxing out human capability.

 

[ahill1]

Of course not. How does Piccolo know it's as far as a human can go? Because he's around the same power as the strongest human to ever live. That's how Piccolo makes his assessment. Whether Goku is stronger or Mutaito is, it's irrelevant. They are both maxing out human capability.

If I am from the same dojo as you, and then comes a fighter from another Dojo and beats you up and then, after a while, I decide to challenge him and he also likewise beats me up and finishes it saying I am as far as someone from this dojo could go, what does that mean? That I was weaker than you?

Or, let's say that after their initial scuffle, instead of that BS comment from Freeza stating Goku is even better than Ginyu, he decides to state that he is "as far as a Saiyajin could go"... wouldn't that statement fit pretty well? Goku is still a Saiyajin, so he would be as far as one could go, not farthest than one could go.

Goku was as far as a human could go, but Piccolo still considered him as a human. He just questioned whether he was a human after he was strong enough to tangle and survive the attack from his young self. So, if he were still a human, he couldn't farther than a human could go.

 

[p123]

He didn't say "as far", he said "about as far". If he said "as far" I'd agree, the key word is "about".

 

[ahill1]

If anything it'd mean Goku and Mutaito are about the same level then... why would you have Mutaito almost 1.2x stronger than Goku?