Most accurate Dragon Ball Battle Powers [with explanations]

[p123]

Because Goku is "about as far as a human can go" not "as far as a human can go" and it's called fan service. Give some respect to the mysterious master from the past who was the teacher to the great teachers. It's like you have no taste my friend. Sometimes when it's debatable, you go with what the fans want to see. Can Goku be 100x weaker than Gohan realistically? Sure can. But does anyone want to see that shit? Fuck no. I go with what is shown, but I edge towards what the community prefers if I can. Can Gogeta be a fucking ragdoll to Buuhan/Buutenks? Sure can, but who wants to see that shit?

Isn't Mutaito much more badass as the guy that is actually stronger than the Goku who gave Piccolo a fight? The guy who put Piccolo down for hundreds of years deserves some god damn respect. As long as it's reasonable.

Same thing for Cooler. Can I make him a Cyborg Freeza clone? Sure, but that destroys the badassery of the character.

Ah, I also have that beautiful Rage Boost for Gohan, which allows me to make South Kaioshin a fucking monster. I got him almost rivaling Perfect Cell. Doesn't it feel better when South Kaioshin is a true powerhouse, like he should be? That's what I like to do with my levels, tell a story, but also make shit awesome. And you know I like clean numbers as well. Both of those points are referencing the same overall point. And that's why I will dominate the Youtube scene for power levels soon enough.

 

[ahill1]

Because Goku is "about as far as a human can go" not "as far as a human can go" and it's called fan service. Give some respect to the mysterious master from the past who was the teacher to the great teachers. It's like you have no taste my friend. Sometimes when it's debatable, you go with what the fans want to see. Can Goku be 100x weaker than Gohan realistically? Sure can. But does anyone want to see that shit? Fuck no. I go with what is shown, but I edge towards what the community prefers if I can. Can Gogeta be a fucking ragdoll to Buuhan/Buutenks? Sure can, but who wants to see that shit?

Isn't Mutaito much more badass as the guy that is actually stronger than the Goku who gave Piccolo a fight? The guy who put Piccolo down for hundreds of years deserves some god damn respect. As long as it's reasonable.

Same thing for Cooler. Can I make him a Cyborg Freeza clone? Sure, but that destroys the badassery of the character.

Ah, I also have that beautiful Rage Boost for Gohan, which allows me to make South Kaioshin a fucking monster. I got him almost rivaling Perfect Cell. Doesn't it feel better when South Kaioshin is a true powerhouse, like he should be? That's what I like to do with my levels, tell a story, but also make shit awesome. And you know I like clean numbers as well. Both of those points are referencing the same overall point. And that's why I will dominate the Youtube scene for power levels soon enough.

But if Mutaito was that stronger than Goku, surely Piccolo's statement would be worded out differently. Goku wouldn't be about as far as a human could go since he'd be stacking up considerably below the human he fought in the past. I'd use "about" were the two within rivalry range, not in a range one could stomp the other. Unless Piccolo's memory towards Mutaito's power is fading away from the time he was stuck in the jar?

 

[p123]

I don't have Mutaito strong enough to stomp Goku. Goku is just out of rivaling range. Piccolo isn't directly comparing it either, he's making a vague-ish statement. Yea, this kid is strong, it is pretty much the limit of human power. It's up for interpretation.

I like the idea of Mutaito being that strong and Shen and Roshi in their prime being able to fight evenly with Goku. But that's what I like to see, you have to choose what your preference is.

 

[ahill1]

You have Goku at 3 and Mutaito at 3.5... if Vegeta with a smaller gap was already dominating Goku, then Mutaito would easily outclass Goku with this kind of gap.

If you think the statement is up for interpretation, then why don't you have Mutaito at, let's say, old Piccolo's full power level? Wouldn't that be aesthetically better? You are a free man then, have Mutaito as strong as you can conceivably have.

 

[p123]

I have Goku at 87.5% of Vegeta's battle power when he decides to give up. The reason Goku decides to give up is because Kaioken x3 is a real option. Goku would either have to deal with getting his ass whooped while barely being able to keep up, lowering his battle power until being forced to resort to Kaioken x3 out of sheer survival, or just go to Kaioken x3 right off the bat. He chose wisely.

I have Goku 85.7% of Mutaito. Goku is a bit out of rivaling range, he can survive a bit, but he's going to take an ass whooping. If he isn't able to out-skill Mutaito, he's going to go down quite quickly.

So all in all, Goku reaches an amazing level of power that more or less maxes out what human capability is. Mutaito is also right around this level. Whether one is stronger or not, is up to interpretation.

That's quite possible and perhaps you should go for that. I am enjoying making Mutaito, the biggest badass I can make him. Same goes for South Kaioshin and Cooler. I'm going to make them as strong as I can get away with because they are cool characters. In terms of PD's power being relevant to Mutaito, I don't really buy it. Piccolo has been in that damn rice cooker for hundreds of years, his power has been greatly reduced. The power he displays against Goku initially isn't the kind of power he would great the masters of the past with. Piccolo assumes this is a weak era for humanity coming into it as well. The best martial artists were taken out quite easily by Tambourine, who could not hope to contend with the masters of the past.

 

[ahill1]

I'd consider that.

But if you don't see Piccolo's statement as something definitive, what is preventing you from running with Mutaito being at old Piccolo's level?

 

[p123]

I already explained that. I like the world where Mutaito, Shen and Roshi were considered powerful ass dudes. It gives Mutaito a reason to be talked about, it's respect to the great master, I like it. I like the story it tells. I also like how it sets up the 3 of them vs Piccolo Daimao in the past. I have all 3 of them around 1/3 of Piccolo's current output. I think Piccolo is around 60% of his power like he was before Goku kicked his ass and forced him to power up. As he says, going full power shortens his life, which is pretty ridiculous when you look back at things.

So I like the 3 of them having somewhat respectable power going up against a monster like PD back in the day. Obviously they wouldn't be able to do much at all, but it's cool.

I think the real question here is, why are you so deadset on making Goku stronger than Mutaito. Goku has the whole series dedicated to him, you can't let Roshi's master get a little shine? God damn, you greedy bastard.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Okay, I'll be doing a Dragon Ball battle power list [from then end of the Uranai Baba saga Tournament to the end of the 23rd Budokai Tournament]

Still waiting for it

 

[SSJ2]

This list is horrendous lol.

 

[ahill1]

lol good times. I think I got worn down and didn't do the 23rd Budokai.

But is there even a point, [mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention]? I think we got this part of the story all figured out and any detailed explanation would be just repeating what you, SSJ2 and many others know.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t know anything. Never heard of this 23rd Budokai thing in my life

But hey, stuff like strength of fodder like Tao, Chi-Chi or Yajirobe and some gaps have always been cloudy stuff

 

[ahill1]

Yajirobe -- I'd likely place him at above 40% old Piccolo, by a nice margin, although still below his 100% power. Yajirobe found a good idea to participate in the tournament and he doesn't seem the type to like being embarassed in a fight, so himself witnessing 40% old Daimao's level and knowing Goku defeated the monster, it'd make sense for him to be above such level.

Tao Pai Pai -- likely not words below Yamcha and Kuririn, given how the latter two seemed to place their amazement after Ten vs Tao on Ten having grown to such a level rather than Tao being in fact a hoax. Yamcha also thought it was a good idea to lend Ten a help when he saw Tao using a weapon and Tao's super dodonpa legit surprised Yamcha... Yamcha and Kuririn by virtue of seeing weighted Goku's and Ten's movements ought to be not so devastatingly below young Piccolo and likely, therefore, considerably stronger than old Piccolo Daimao, which would likely place cyborg Tao at full power old Piccolo Daimao (may be even higher depending on your old~young gap). I like to see Cyborg Tao basically what Chappa-o was to Yamcha and Kuririn in the former Budokai.

Chi-Chi -- tough to place her, but likely a good amount below Cyborg Tao. It's true that Goku seemed to sweat for a panel while dodging her, but that seems too little to warrant a placement comparable to even old Piccolo imo, and Roshi only noticed she's quite a master, a similar compliment given to Chappa-o. Maybe around Yajirobe's level sounds about right to me.

Yajirobe -- 100
Chi Chi -- 100
Old Piccolo Daimao -- 150
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai -- 160
Yamcha -- 200
Kuririn -- 215


^ Off scale, ofc. Not accounting for the shitty scouter numbers.


That's about as in-depth as I can be

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Good enough for me

 

[SIAD]

Excelent.