Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Goku

[p123]

Exactly. Grade 3 is implied to be a much bigger boost than Super Saiyan 2. It's a huge boost.

 

[Buki]

A Broly thread without @Pakl is a blasphemy.

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

Super Saiyan Broly > Super Saiyan Goku is stated in the guidebooks for this movie. Broly received a zenkai and is superior to Goku. LSSJ is at least as big of a boost as SSJ2. So Broly wins.

Weak.

Super Saiyan 2 did not exist at the time the movie was released. It reflects the Perfect Cell Arc, which introduced Super Saiyan Grade II and III. Any of those can reflect the boost. If you are going by personal feelings as opposed to solid feats, I have no reason to conti

Using the name of the form as an argument is irrelevant as far as...anything goes. King Kai is a god and the king of the north universe. I guess that makes him stronger than everyone up until Boo, who is a demon and thus on par with him? Grade II is literally the Super Saiyan that has far surpassed Super Saiyan, too - I guess that makes it stronger than any Super Saiyan ever?.

Using fancy titles as an argument is just laughable, sorry. Broly doesn't have any feats that require even a measly 2x boost.

LSSJ being less than a 2x boost is hilarious.

So it's the same as Super Saiyan 2.

A weaker Broli in a much weaker form destroyed a Galaxy. Of course he did it in the timespan of about 3 decades, but how far would SSJ2 Goku, a merely solar system buster would go? Broli would win this easily.

I've also heard some stuff about Broli > Gogeta. Does anyone know what's this about?

We are, we take our jobs dead seriously. We are being paid to terll the truth here, right @Pyro?

Exactly. Grade 3 is implied to be a much bigger boost than Super Saiyan 2. It's a huge boost.

How? SSJ2 is the next level so its higher imo. SSJ2 is 4x and SSJ Grade 3 is 3x Grade 2 IMO

 

[GSM123]

Broly's LSSj = a powered up regular Super Saiyan, just like Grades II and II. Nothing more, nothing less, as stated by official guidebooks. Super Saiyan 2 is above LSSj.

But what is SSJ2 exactly? Like, in comparison to SSJ1.

Grade 3 is a much bigger boost than Super Saiyan 2 so that works for my point.

The link Tapion provided has a section saying SSJ2 (Grade 5) is the strongest form.

 

[Buki]

SSJ2 (Grade 5) > CG FPSSJ (Grade 4) ~ M8 LSSJ Broly > Grade 3 > Grade 2 > SSJ (Grade 1)

 

[p123]

Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell > Grade 2 Goku > Super Saiyan Goku

Please tell me how big of a boost you have Grade 2 and 3 off of Super Saiyan...

 

[Buki]

A Broly thread without @Pakl is a blasphemy.

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

Super Saiyan Broly > Super Saiyan Goku is stated in the guidebooks for this movie. Broly received a zenkai and is superior to Goku. LSSJ is at least as big of a boost as SSJ2. So Broly wins.

Weak.

Super Saiyan 2 did not exist at the time the movie was released. It reflects the Perfect Cell Arc, which introduced Super Saiyan Grade II and III. Any of those can reflect the boost. If you are going by personal feelings as opposed to solid feats, I have no reason to conti

Using the name of the form as an argument is irrelevant as far as...anything goes. King Kai is a god and the king of the north universe. I guess that makes him stronger than everyone up until Boo, who is a demon and thus on par with him? Grade II is literally the Super Saiyan that has far surpassed Super Saiyan, too - I guess that makes it stronger than any Super Saiyan ever?.

Using fancy titles as an argument is just laughable, sorry. Broly doesn't have any feats that require even a measly 2x boost.

LSSJ being less than a 2x boost is hilarious.

So it's the same as Super Saiyan 2.

A weaker Broli in a much weaker form destroyed a Galaxy. Of course he did it in the timespan of about 3 decades, but how far would SSJ2 Goku, a merely solar system buster would go? Broli would win this easily.

I've also heard some stuff about Broli > Gogeta. Does anyone know what's this about?

Ha are, we take our jobs dead seriously. We are being paid to terll the truth here, right @Pyro?

Exactly. Grade 3 is implied to be a much bigger boost than Super Saiyan 2. It's a huge boost.

Why do you compare Goku and not Trunks. SSJ Goku at that point is way ahead of his Pre Rosat self.

I have Grade 3 3x Grade 2 and 6x SSJ

When I say LSSJ is like Grade 3 multiplier, I mean to the gap between Grade 3 to Grade 2 and not Grade 3 to SSJ

Also, if we follow Pakl theory of RSSJ Broli at full power being in oar with 50% CG Goku and his LSSJ in par with 100% CG Goku, then LSSJ is 2x SSJ

 

[GSM123]

Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell > Grade 2 Goku > Super Saiyan Goku

Please tell me how big of a boost you have Grade 2 and 3 off of Super Saiyan...

P what do you think about that guidebook that says Grade III is 10x SSJ?

Why do you compare Goku and not Trunks. SSJ Goku at that point is way ahead of his Pre Rosat self.

Goku had just entered the Rosat and was just meditating into how to surpass the SSJ wall, so he likely was no different from his Pre Rosat self just yet.

 

[Buki]

It was long after he entered the Rosat. Gohan had his haircut and was already used to SSJ. Also where does it say Grade 3 is 10x SSJ?

 

[p123]

Wasn't that fake?

So you admit, Super Saiyan 2 is a smaller boost off of Super Saiyan than Grade 3? You have Grade 3 as a 6x boost and Ssj2 as a 2x boost.

 

[GSM123]

Nope, it's 99% official. It credits Toriyama as helping out there ala Daizenshuu and SEG iirc. Only issue is that nobody knows what was translated accurately and what wasn't.

But if you go with Grade III = 10x and ignore FPSSJ > Grade III for reasons i can't understand, you end up with SSJ2 being like 25x SSJ. Just imagine the bloat.

 

[p123]

Wow, that's so great! I love it! I can rub this in those guidebook people's faces forever haha!

Wait why would it make Super Saiyan 2 bloated?

 

[Buki]

A Broly thread without @Pakl is a blasphemy.

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

Super Saiyan Broly > Super Saiyan Goku is stated in the guidebooks for this movie. Broly received a zenkai and is superior to Goku. LSSJ is at least as big of a boost as SSJ2. So Broly wins.

Weak.

Super Saiyan 2 did not exist at the time the movie was released. It reflects the Perfect Cell Arc, which introduced Super Saiyan Grade II and III. Any of those can reflect the boost. If you are going by personal feelings as opposed to solid feats, I have no reason to conti

Using the name of the form as an argument is irrelevant as far as...anything goes. King Kai is a god and the king of the north universe. I guess that makes him stronger than everyone up until Boo, who is a demon and thus on par with him? Grade II is literally the Super Saiyan that has far surpassed Super Saiyan, too - I guess that makes it stronger than any Super Saiyan ever?.

Using fancy titles as an argument is just laughable, sorry. Broly doesn't have any feats that require even a measly 2x boost.

LSSJ being less than a 2x boost is hilarious.

So it's the same as Super Saiyan 2.

A weaker Broli in a much weaker form destroyed a Galaxy. Of course he did it in the timespan of about 3 decades, but how far would SSJ2 Goku, a merely solar system buster would go? Broli would win this easily.

I've also heard some stuff about Broli > Gogeta. Does anyone know what's this about?

We are, we take our jobs dead seriously. We are being paid to terll the truth here, right @Pyro?

Exactly. Grade 3 is implied to be a much bigger boost than Super Saiyan 2. It's a huge boost.

Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell > Grade 2 Goku > Super Saiyan Goku

Please tell me how big of a boost you have Grade 2 and 3 off of Super Saiyan...

Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell > Grade 2 Goku > Super Saiyan Goku

Please tell me how big of a boost you have Grade 2 and 3 off of Super Saiyan...

P what do you think about that guidebook that says Grade III is 10x SSJ?

Why do you compare Goku and not Trunks. SSJ Goku at that point is way ahead of his Pre Rosat self.

Goku had just entered the Rosat and was just meditating into how to surpass the SSJ wall, so he likely was no different from his Pre Rosat self just yet.

Wasn't that fake?

So you admit, Super Saiyan 2 is a smaller boost off of Super Saiyan than Grade 3? You have Grade 3 as a 6x boost and Ssj2 as a 2x boost.

I have SSJ2 4X SSJ. Anyway, I have SSJ Grade 3 3x SSJ Grade 2 and 6x SSJ but when I said LSSJ is like Grade 3 multiplier, I meant the gap between Grade 3 to Grade 2 AKA 3x gap.

 

[p123]

Ok so Grade 3 is 6x and Super Saiyan 2 is 4x accoridng to you right? I actually have the same.

 

[Buki]

Well yeah

On topic: I think M10 Broli is at best equal to SSJ2 Goku

 

[p123]

So you think these boost are accurate off of Super Saiyan then?

Grade 2= 2x
LSSJ= 3x
Super Saiyan 2= 4x
Grade 3= 6x
Super Saiyan 3= 16x

So you don't have LSSJ as strong as Grade 3? But I thought LSSJ followed the Grades? So it's like Grade 2.5?

 

[Buki]

Well LSSJ is a form stronger than Grade 3 like Grade 4 as I think its in pae woth CG FPSSJ Goku who is Grade 4

 

[p123]

Ok, so if LSSJ is a stronger form of Grade 3, then it's stronger than Super Saiyan 2.

 

[Buki]

Lol what? How? Its stronger in terms of power than Grade 3. I am not tslking about multipluer

 

[p123]

What does that even mean?

You have Grade 3 as a 6x boost.
You have LSSJ as a 3x boost.

You have Grade 3 as a superior boost over LSSJ off of Super Saiyan. Yes or no?

 

[Buki]

What does that even mean?

You have Grade 3 as a 6x boost.
You have LSSJ as a 3x boost.

You have Grade 3 as a superior boost over LSSJ off of Super Saiyan. Yes or no?

Well , LSSJ is obviously not 6x SSJ. Either, the multiplier of Grade 3 is lower than 6x or Grade 3 is superior.

LSSJ can easily be 2x SSJ based on SSJ Broli at his max being in par with 50% CG Goku and his LSSJ being in par with 100% CG Goku