Movie Scaling Integrated with Anime/Manga

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hirudegarn is a bit confusing because of his smoke trick, but I’d say

Super Hirudegarn > Gohan > Gotenks > Base Hirudegarn

SSJ3 Goku is > Gohan, but only = Super Hirudegarn at best. He knew how to counteract his vanishing, had help from Trunks and used the Dragon Fist to win.

 

[Dagon]

Movie 7
Android 13 = Android 17

Super 13 ~ Android 16

Considering movie 7, the pamphlet says 13 becomes the strongest android by absorbing parts from 14 and 15. On the one hand this could mean Super 13 > 16, as it would follow the pattern shown where the lower number androids are stronger than the higher number androids. It's also quite straightforward as 13 is literally the strongest Android without any rationalizations or cope for otherwise.

Then again, in Daizenshuu 8's carddass numbers, Android 16 is given a higher number than Super 13. They used "DP" past Freeza saga, probably "Dragon Points/Power". Probably not only meant hyperbolically.

I'd rather put base 13 and 14 and 15 under 17 and 18 since they were matched or bested by SSJs which were weaker than 17 and 18.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Super 13 > 16

 

[Dagon]

Hirudegarn is a bit confusing because of his smoke trick, but I’d say

Super Hirudegarn > Gohan > Gotenks > Base Hirudegarn

SSJ3 Goku is > Gohan, but only = Super Hirudegarn at best. He knew how to counteract his vanishing, had help from Trunks and used the Dragon Fist to win.

I think M13 SSJ3 Goku equaling Buuhan would work with how the anime likes to prop up Goku as well as the one V-Jump issue that said Buuhan acquired power equal to SSJ3 Goku.

Also works with Battle of Gods with Goku being the strongest post Buu Saga.

 

[Pakl]

Base Garlic Jr >>\~ Goku and Piccolo (Weight)
Garlic Jr (Transformed) > Goku and Piccolo (W/O)
Garlic Jr (Dead Zone) ~ Raditz

Dr Uiru ~ Vegeta (Namek Arc)

Tullece ~ Vegeta (Namek Arc)
Tullece (Post Fruit) ~ First Form Freeza

Old Slug ~ Captain Ginyu
Young Slug ~ Second Form Freeza (1st Power Up)
Giant Slug ~ Initial Final Form Freeza

Initial Coola > Initial Final Form Freeza
5th Form Coola > 100% Final Form Freeza

Metal Coola </~ SSjin Goku (Androids Arc)
Metal Coola (repaired) ~ Android 18

Android 13 ~ Imperfect Cell (Ginger)
Super 13 ~ Imperfect Cell (Post Humans Absorbed)

M8 RSSjin Broli >/~ Perfect Cell (Warm Up)
M8 LSSjin Broli ~ Perfect Cell (VS SSjin Goku/SSjin Gohan)

Bojack ~ Perfect Cell (VS SSjin Goku/SSjin Gohan)
Super Bojack ~ FP Perfect Cell

Movies 10 SSjin Broli > SSjin Goku (Boo Saga)?
Manga SSjin 2 Goku > Movie 10 LSSjin Broli >/~ Anime Dabura?

Bio Broli ~ Manga Dabura? (irrelevant.. Should of been a Fat Boo counterpart)

Fat Janemba >>= Fat Boo
Evil Boo >>= Super Janemba

Hirudegarn (Half Body) ~ Evil Boo
Hirudegarn >>/~ Gotenks-Boo
Hirudegarn (Transformed) > Gohan-Boo

Fits perfectly fine and gets like a puzzle in comparison to the Anime.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dr Uiru ~ Vegeta (Namek Arc)

Shouldn’t Willow be stronger since this is after Saiyan Saga?

 

[Pakl]

Shouldn’t Willow be stronger since this is after Saiyan Saga?

I have Uiru against Goku at 24k and max out at 30k.

 

[Dagon]

People still on the Broly nerfing train.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Not everyone is. At least I consider illogical for Broly to be stronger than a SSJ2 in his first movie or him being stronger than SSJ3 Goku in his second movie. If it weren't for Koyama's statements these would be non possibilities, but the only way to dismiss his statement is actually incredulity fallacy.

But the course of the thread completely went down, this was supposed to be a Goku/Cooler thread.

 

[Pakl]

People still on the Broly nerfing train.

Nah. Broli is placed comparable to the scaling at it time. That's not nerfing. That's like saying I'm nerfing Slug because I put him comparable to Initial Final Form Freeza.

 

[HunterR18]

People still on the Broly nerfing train.

What's your scale for Broly Movie 8, 10 and 11?

 

[Pakl]

The scale of each movie villain is the strongest character shown in the Manga three months prior to each movie's release (three months is the time that take to make a movie stated by Koyama) and the next character shown in the anime 2-3 episodes after each movie's release. the heroes of each movie are comparable to the same arc's scaling the movie is based on. Which is why Koyama likely had to scale up each next movie villian.

This is also based on methodical thinking. A series is built on a method where there are rules and logic. Koyama even said that regarding to the content there was a RULE to not go ahead of what's shown in the anime, and before anyone claims power isn't related to the context, then power is related big time. In fact, power scaling is the main issue of that. In the anime, Toei always scales up the characters higher, even when it's not the case in the Manga. In the Anime, get Gohan having a power level of over 20k vs Recoome and a purpose lack of statement when he and Krillin were implied to be over 10,000. Gohan was already 10,000 in movie 3, so we get him even stronger in the Ginyu Arc. Goku was stronger vs Paikuhan in the Cell Games. Pure Boo is stronger than Gohan-Boo. Goku gets more and more hated during the Boo Saga surpassing the other warriors in terms of strength, with each movie basing his power on a current time in the anime too due to the scaling. Same things happens in the movies. Koyama's statement of the need to scale up the next villian is due to the fact the anime makes the scaling higher more and more. The heroes are also pretty much ripped apart from a current arc with only the power they display at that time. It works in synchronization.


@GreatSaiyaman123 Why is it so hard to understand this issue?

 

[Dagon]

Nah. Broli is placed comparable to the scaling at it time. That's not nerfing. That's like saying I'm nerfing Slug because I put him comparable to Initial Final Form Freeza.

Yeah, that is nerfing. And you are nerfing Slug.

You did precisely as I expected. People already called you out on this and you're still doing it. You'll never change. You'll always be a liar.

Koyama even said that regarding to the content there was a RULE to not go ahead of what's shown in the anime,

That's for plot. But I suppose you'll go cry to Koyama on Twitter/X/Facebook again.

@GreatSaiyaman123 Why is it so hard to understand this issue?

We all fully understand your point of view, we just don't agree with it.

 

[Dagon]

Delete this.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dagon on the Broly wank? I thought you were better than this man.

 

[Dagon]

Dagon on the Broly wank? I thought you were better than this man.

At the very least he's not as weak as Pakl/Duckass wants him to be. I can trace back his posts showing an anti-Broly bias from him, showing that his whole opinion on the movies scaling stems from a deep hate of old time Broly fanboys. There's old posts of his complaining about Broly fanboys. That's what this was all about. He needed an argument to nerf Broly and if they meant taking down all the movie villains with Broly then it's worth it to him. His whole movies scaling is manufactured specifically to nerf Broly, all the other nerfs are collateral damage.

Proof:

pakl popularity - Dragon Ball

Yo @Ducas why are u so famous everwhere. EVerywhere I go and debunk brolytards starting from pjo to dbz all the way to youtub

www.neoseeker.com

Because I am well known for being the Brolitards destroyer
I am the one who updated and proved the M8 Goku ~ Resting Goku like how Darwin made the theory of evolution
You can go to DBZF and look for me in the Broli threads and how I owned them

Dude's been on this crusade 10 years by now just because some Broly fans were annoying.

EDIT:

Looks like it's even worse. Seems Pojo's "Pikachu1330" is Pakl as well as the exact same opinion and reasoning is shown... in 2012...

Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power - Pojo.com Forums

Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power Dragon Ball / DBZ / GT Anime/Manga Chat

www.pojo.biz

Dude's been doing this for 12 years. What a joke.

I will be archiving it as it's good material for a debunk.

 

[HunterR18]

At the very least he's not as weak as Pakl/Duckass wants him to be. I can trace back his posts showing an anti-Broly bias from him, showing that his whole opinion on the movies scaling stems from a deep hate of old time Broly fanboys. There's old posts of his complaining about Broly fanboys. That's what this was all about. He needed an argument to nerf Broly and if they meant taking down all the movie villains with Broly then it's worth it to him. His whole movies scaling is manufactured specifically to nerf Broly, all the other nerfs are collateral damage.

Proof:

pakl popularity - Dragon Ball

Yo @Ducas why are u so famous everwhere. EVerywhere I go and debunk brolytards starting from pjo to dbz all the way to youtub

www.neoseeker.com

Dude's been on this crusade 10 years by now just because some Broly fans were annoying.

EDIT:

Looks like it's even worse. Seems Pojo's "Pikachu1330" is Pakl as well as the exact same opinion and reasoning is shown... in 2012...

Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power - Pojo.com Forums

Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power Dragon Ball / DBZ / GT Anime/Manga Chat

www.pojo.biz

Dude's been doing this for 12 years. What a joke.

I will be archiving it as it's good material for a debunk.

It´s same post of Undertake on Kanzenshuu

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22264

I honestly think Broly from the old films is mediocre, but I'm fine with keeping the list I put together but I also don't hate the character, but I prefer DBH and SDBH a thousand times over.

But I don't nerf or boost Broly

 

[HunterR18]

https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2416531-broly-pdl-stuff/

@Dagon

I make a Broly topic on Neoseeker (about old Broly Movies and DBH/SDBH)

 

[Dagon]

https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2416531-broly-pdl-stuff/

@Dagon

I make a Broly topic on Neoseeker (about old Broly Movies and DBH/SDBH)

Nice. I think I have the movie 8 pamphlet and I can scan what you asked for.

"1000x more ki" can definitely make it look like Movie 8 Broly is way stronger than some people want to believe lol. Seems like it's describing how much ki Goku absorbed.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Ssj Broly M10 > LSSJ Broly M8 > Ssj Goku (Buu Saga)

LSSJ Broly M8 is only MSSJ tier and LSSJ Broly M10 is only Ssj2 tier.

That isn’t nerfing.