Mutaito vs King Piccolo ( Initial )

[p123]

This is the old version of Piccolo that Goku was able to win against. Why does Mutaito always get nerfed? Seems like him, young Roshi and young Tsuru were beasts.

 

[ahill1]

This is a very good match up. Goku ( vs Piccolo ) is stronger than Mutaito as well as Piccolo ( Initial ). I think Goku being stronger than Mutaito for the same amount he was against King Piccolo ( Initial ) looks about right.

Goku ( vs King Piccolo > King Piccolo ( Initial ) ~ Mutaito ~ Karin

 

[Animelover5487]

King Piccolo. Piccolo's reaction to his initial power being bested by Goku implies that Mutaito wouldn't be able to do the same.

 

[p123]

I think Mutaito one shots King Piccolo.

 

[Six Trails]

If Goku couldn't one-shot, how could Mutaito?

 

[p123]

Mutaito > Goku

 

[Animelover5487]

Mutaito > Goku

These beg to differ:

Chapter: 143, P6.3
Context: after Piccolo and Goku fight a bit, before Piccolo gets serious
Piccolo: “To think that there’d be someone in this world who could knock my back to the ground…I see…At that level, it’s no wonder my underlings couldn’t handle you…”

Chapter: 144, P7.1
Context: after seeming to kill Goku
Piccolo: “Naturally, this level is about as far as a human could go.”

 

[p123]

Yes, as we can see, Goku isn't called the strongest human outright.

 

[Kyo]

I'd say "this level is about as far as a human could go" is about as outright as you can get without being outright outright :shit

 

[p123]

Mutaito > Young Tsuru/Roshi > 22nd Budokai Jackie Chun

Goku isn't ridiculously more powerful than Jackie Chun, Mutaito has to be up there.

 

[Six Trails]

Or it just proves that post-22nd Goku is a good deal above 22nd TB Roshi. What even says otherwise?

 

[p123]

What suggests that Goku is above Roshi at all?

 

[Six Trails]

Him being (indirectly) stated to be stronger than Mutaito, who's stronger than young Roshi, who's stronger than 22nd-TB Roshi.

Is there anything that actually says Roshi is close to Goku?

 

[p123]

Yes, Tien seems to think Roshi can give him a good fight.

 

[Six Trails]

Well first, we're talking about post-22nd-TB Goku, who could've gotten a zenkai after the 22nd-TB, and second, when does Tenshinhan say that?

 

[p123]

I agree, it is possible Goku got a small zenkai from his accumulated damage from Tien and Tambourine. It's not definite, but it's possible.

Tien seemed to consider Jackie a real threat and was generally very impressed with his power. It seems implied that Tien would have to work really hard to beat Jackie at full power.

 

[Lightsworn]

You can either have Mutaito > Young Roshi > 22nd Goku >= 22nd Roshi

Or

22nd Goku > Mutaito > Young Roshi > 22nd Roshi

No Zenkais necessary.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You can either have Mutaito > Young Roshi > 22nd Goku >= 22nd Roshi

Or

22nd Goku > Mutaito > Young Roshi > 22nd Roshi

No Zenkais necessary.

it's more than implied

 

[Lightsworn]

I don't interpret Zenkais this early in the manga since it wasn't introduced until far later.

 

[Six Trails]

How can Mutaito be > Goku? Goku is the farthest a human can go.