My theory on why Vegeta's SSJ2 was higher than Goku

[Fantastische Hure]

Because he trained with Whis before Goku even started training with him and so he had a head-start. Vegeta achieved his SSJ-God transformation with-out the need for a ritual where-as Goku was sort-of given the form so Vegeta had to get himself to a level where he could reach that on his own unlike Goku.

Good? Good

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then how come they're equal on every other form except SSjin2? Some theorized that Vegeta's SSjin2 is the same one he used when he went enraged against Beerus which is higher than Goku's SSjin3. It's like Vegeta unlocked a new level of SSjin2 similar to what Trunks did.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can't remember exactly. When did they fight?

Trunks didn't transform he just powered-up to full-power.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta's SSJ was shown to be roughly equal to Galu's against Frost iirc.

 

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Maybe SSJ3 was a wrong approach, like grade forms, and the correct evolution was an MSSJ2 which Vegeta was on his way of achieving when he did 'My Bulma' thing.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I can't remember exactly. When did they fight?

Trunks didn't transform he just powered-up to full-power.

I'm talking about when Vegeta fought Beerus in that titanic after Beerus slapped Bulma. Vegeta went enrage and was stated to be stronger than Goku. So he probably kept the same power (which is stronger than SSjin3 Goku) throughout the series. As for Trunks, his SSjin2 he used against SSjin3 Goku was said to be different compare to an ordinary SSjin2. It's not a form but a different level of SSjin2 similarly how SSjin has a different levels I.e Grade forms.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They didn't say that. They said he didn't transform, that's all. Trunks just wasn't going all-out before. Trunks even says he never just settled for the power SSJ2 gives.

Well Frost got stomped by both, in-fact Vegeta one-shotted him so there isn't much to tell a difference since they both did the same.

Mah Bulma was just a power-up again.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah, it's not a transformation but Vegeta managed to take an ordinary level of SSjin2 to surpass SSjin3 Goku and kept that raged boost.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Did he?

 

[Papasmurf]

Frost was defeated more easily by Vegeta, but Frost was also exhausted by consecutive fights against Galu and Piccolo so it doesnt show an edge for Vegeta. There's clearly something special about Vegeta's SSJ2 form specifically.

 

[GSM123]

Meh, I still think maintaing the rage boost makes more sense. Rage boosts are essentially drawing dormant power outta anger, and Vegeta may have drawn such dormant power by training. I mean, he is Goku's superior, potential wise.

Though this whole shit crumbles down when you stop and think this implies Vegeta's potential is not only > Goku's, but also Gotenks' and Gohan's... And Trunks' given how SSJ2 Trunks only matched SSJ3 Goku. Fuck whoever had this idea man.

Maybe SSJ3 was a wrong approach, like grade forms, and the correct evolution was an MSSJ2 which Vegeta was on his way of achieving when he did 'My Bulma' thing.

Daizenshuu 10 provides an evolutionary tree for the SSJ forms though, and SSJ3 is classified as the final evolution of the 3 Saiyan (Aluded on the manga as well). So it stands to reason that mastering SSJ2 is the final step before achieving SSJ3 and Goku likely did it, but his power pales in comparison to Vegeta's because of potential.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegeta's potential is at best on-par with Goku's. Maybe he used to be always behind because of Goku's more sensible training. Goku's always shown to be the top though for pure Saiyans until Broly.

Rage thing makes no sense to me because at no point did the status-quo seem to change to me in BoG. It still seemed implied to me that Goku was higher and he was chosen to do the ritual.

 

[SIAD]

The truth is that I think Vegeta trained his SSJ2 form, something similar to the "Improved" SSJ2 of Future Trunks, but being the SSJG his next transformation, he made his SSJ2 be between the SSJ and the SSJG.