Next DBS villain -- how'd like him to be?

[ahill1]

So I think that it's unanimous here that the new DB villains have failed some way or another -- Jiren being just your stoic bland foe and Moro having the ol' goal of wishing for eternity and having few nunances in his personality that would make him stand out. How'd you like for a new villain to be though? Which aspect would you like explored?

 

[Keedounan]

Not many DB villains have a truly fleshed out backstory that makes them somewhat sympathetic, or at least makes their actions understandable. Broly was the only one, really, albeit his flat character squandered his potential. Perhaps this backstory could be linked back to something that the DB characters indirectly did in previous arcs, such as the bad guys not being revived in Boo arc.

I would like the villain to be more complex in terms of morality. The only DBS antagonists who aren't unambiguously evil are those who weren't even evil to begin with, and simply ran into the protagonists, albeit one could make a case for Hit still being a hitman. Or Beerus destroying planets for petty reasons. One could also have the villain follow a particular moral code that prevents them from being completely irredeemable, or villains who genuinely want to do good while going the wrong way about it. Zamasu could have been an example of such with better ideas, but ultimately his motivations could basically be summed up as "I want to kill all mortals because I don't like them, the other gods be damned", turning him into an irredeemable hypocrite who fooled himself in believing otherwise.

The villain doesn't even have to be major either. It could be a minor villain who simply causes trouble, but not enough to cause all the goods guys to get involved. This wouldn't require a powerful bad guy, and Goku or Vegeta wouldn't need to show up to stomp him. This leaves room for the likes of Yamcha to shine, even for a short while.

 

[ahill1]

Not many DB villains have a truly fleshed out backstory that makes them somewhat sympathetic, or at least makes their actions understandable. Broly was the only one, really, albeit his flat character squandered his potential. Perhaps this backstory could be linked back to something that the DB characters indirectly did in previous arcs, such as the bad guys not being revived in Boo arc.

I would like the villain to be more complex in terms of morality. The only DBS antagonists who aren't unambiguously evil are those who weren't even evil to begin with, and simply ran into the protagonists, albeit one could make a case for Hit still being a hitman. Or Beerus destroying planets for petty reasons. One could also have the villain follow a particular moral code that prevents them from being completely irredeemable, or villains who genuinely want to do good while going the wrong way about it. Zamasu could have been an example of such with better ideas, but ultimately his motivations could basically be summed up as "I want to kill all mortals because I don't like them, the other gods be damned", turning him into an irredeemable hypocrite who fooled himself in believing otherwise.

The villain doesn't even have to be major either. It could be a minor villain who simply causes trouble, but not enough to cause all the goods guys to get involved. This wouldn't require a powerful bad guy, and Goku or Vegeta wouldn't need to show up to stomp him. This leaves room for the likes of Yamcha to shine, even for a short while.

How do you think Zamasu could be written in order to feel less hypocritical?

 

[SSJ2]

Not Moro.

 

[Papasmurf]

Anime :withheld .... I mean Dolltalki. :withheld

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Have his goal not be destroying the universe.

 

[Keedounan]

Not many DB villains have a truly fleshed out backstory that makes them somewhat sympathetic, or at least makes their actions understandable. Broly was the only one, really, albeit his flat character squandered his potential. Perhaps this backstory could be linked back to something that the DB characters indirectly did in previous arcs, such as the bad guys not being revived in Boo arc.

I would like the villain to be more complex in terms of morality. The only DBS antagonists who aren't unambiguously evil are those who weren't even evil to begin with, and simply ran into the protagonists, albeit one could make a case for Hit still being a hitman. Or Beerus destroying planets for petty reasons. One could also have the villain follow a particular moral code that prevents them from being completely irredeemable, or villains who genuinely want to do good while going the wrong way about it. Zamasu could have been an example of such with better ideas, but ultimately his motivations could basically be summed up as "I want to kill all mortals because I don't like them, the other gods be damned", turning him into an irredeemable hypocrite who fooled himself in believing otherwise.

The villain doesn't even have to be major either. It could be a minor villain who simply causes trouble, but not enough to cause all the goods guys to get involved. This wouldn't require a powerful bad guy, and Goku or Vegeta wouldn't need to show up to stomp him. This leaves room for the likes of Yamcha to shine, even for a short while.

How do you think Zamasu could be written in order to feel less hypocritical?

Have him not claim mortals are sinful for misusing the knowledge the gods gave them to commit barbaric actions, while using his own knowledge to steal a mortal's body and turn into an omnicidal maniac. Or at very least, have him realize how far he's fallen and have this realization actually affect his character and motivations instead of simply being...some delusional bullshit about carrying the sins of the mortals within him as a reminder of his mission.

 

[Future Warrior]

I think the next villain should look like a donkey, since the current one is a GOAT and all that.

 

[SSJ2]

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Not many DB villains have a truly fleshed out backstory that makes them somewhat sympathetic, or at least makes their actions understandable. Broly was the only one, really, albeit his flat character squandered his potential.

I'd say Piccolo Daimao, Saiyan/Namek Vegeta and Freeza also apply here. Daimao's goals are made understandable in the Saiyan/Freeza Arc with the revelation his evil attitude was from his original self seeing the darkness of humanity, Vegeta's general psychology rationalises a lot of his actions and, as deplorable as Freeza's actions are, it's made evident by Cold's existence that it was from the fault of his spoilt upbringing rather than purely evil for evil's sake.

Anyway, aside from the points you already made, I'd include having a villain who can be a major threat beyond raw power. Moro could've succeeded in this category at least if not for later chapters showing little to no distinction between his magic and raw power. It's essential they be from somewhere other than Universe 7 as to avoid plot holes when it comes to why they didn't show up prior, unless their power and motivations are purely formed from interaction with the Dragon Team.
That said, one thing that would make things better is if the next villain was a Universe 6 one with the story shifting focus to purely the cast of that universe, with maybe Vegeta showing up to help at most. The interaction between the two universes and establishing things such as Vegeta being similar to Sadal's King or exploring things such as the repercussions of Frost's ruse being discovered are all things unexplored thus far, leaving it essential they be explored for the U6 characters to be more than just a temporary wall for Goku and Vegeta to overcome.

 

[ahill1]

I'd say Freeza's backstory was explored far too little to be said it was shed light onto. He was shown to have a father, but beyond that I think there isn't even an ounce trying to give some insight into what he was. DBS:Broly may have shown a little more, in which case it seems Freeza was moreso a spoiled child. If say Piccolo Daimao is the one whose background is more solidly shown.

 

[SSJ2]

Super needs a villain that is willing to raise the stakes. They need to kill a substantial amount of characters that are actually important to the story.