One Piece Tier list

[ahill1]

It's not disproved at all. Again, I'm not arguing that the spot Ace occupies means he's necessarily the 2nd strongest. I'm saying that there's NOTHING in the story indicating Ace occupies a spot that could very well be occupied by any other commander. Oden's example, if anything, helps Ace being that strong... Oden being the 2nd commander while being the strongest could point to Ace also being the strongest, as he occupies the 2nd spot.

Of all the Whitebeard commanders, only Ace, Marco, Jozu and Vista are given a special spotlight. Every other commander gets shafted to a limited screen participation. Big Mom has also 3 or 4 strongest commanders. Kaido has also 3 strong commanders. Ace is given a special highlight among the WB's commanders... so I really don't think he'd be the odd one out among ALL the commanders and be way weaker than even the other weaker Yonko's commanders.

 

[SSJ2]

I never said he's way weaker.

B Tier - Marco, Ben Beckman
C Tier - Vista, Jozu, Katakuri, Luffy (WCI), Ace (maybe?)

There's no arguing that Marco is the strongest commander. I have Vista and Jozu a step below him, and Ace is a step below them but on the same tier. All 4 of those guys are strong by New World standards.

The problem is your argument isn't backed by the manga. You're trying to put meaning into Ace's division number when we aren't given reason to believe there is a meaning behind it. If there was a vacancy in the 10th division when Ace was made a commander, that would have been his division. Ace is probably on the low end of Yonko commander level but his division in the Whitebeard pirates has no bearing on that.

 

[ahill1]

The problem is your argument isn't backed by the manga. You're trying to put meaning into Ace's division number when we aren't given reason to believe there is a meaning behind it. If there was a vacancy in the 10th division when Ace was made a commander, that would have been his division. Ace is probably on the low end of Yonko commander level but his division in the Whitebeard pirates has no bearing on that.

Ace's division has a meaning. He's the 2nd division commander. That's the standard argument. You've to show anything that solidily establishes that Ace is there just to fill the role or because WB believes in his potential. Until then, the standard argument and conclusion is that his strength makes up for him being one of the strongest WB pirates commanders. There's nothing indicating he isn't. This is backed up by the manga. I'm not making up anything. Again, Ace is one of the most fleshed out commanders, just like Cracker and Katakuri were to Big Mom and just like Jack, Queen and King were to Kaido. It's totally ok to believe he represents the bulky of the WB fleet (along with Marco, Jozu and Vista), just like the other Yonko commanders who are at least on Doflamingo's level. You're saying that "Ace could be way weaker than the other commanders because WB's crew can work like that", but presenting the possibility doesn't counter the fact that there's nothing to doubt Ace's position.

 

[SSJ2]

But I literally never said that. I've been saying all along that Ace is on the same level as the lower end Yonko commanders. I'm saying that he is, but it's not due to your reasoning. I don't need to prove anything when Oda is the one who says that strength isn't relevant to the division number. If you want to prove his strength then use feats and statements to do so, not some arbitrary assignment based on logic that goes against the word of the creator.

 

[ahill1]

He said that the division numbers does not indicate strength, but I'd be hard pressed to place Ace as the top strongest commanders considering how fleshed out he was within the Whitebeard's pirates, alongside Jozu, Vista and Marco. We've got nothing there showing he is one of the least relevant, not fleshed out characters. So I haven't a single reason not to believe Ace isn't part of the strongest commanders. He's most likely within the top tier ranking of the crew as were Cracker and Katakuri.

Going back to my initial post, I had only said that the way Luffy stands up to the Yonko commanders changed my perception of Ace's strength -- and that's it. I never even tried too hard on attributing a placement for him. I previously thought Ace could be comparable to G2 and G3 post TS Luffy, but once seeing how Luffy's G4 struggled against Yonko's commanders, that thrust Ace's strength to me. I think he's at least Cracker's tier by virtue of being at least one of the most fleshed out WB's commanders, which would put him on par with Doflamingo at least.

I think he could be maybe a 10th division commander of WB's crew, but considering how poor of a showing the highest ranking ones had on the war, one of them even struggling momentarily against Moria, I don't see the need to go against the flow and assume that alongside Marco, Jozu and Vista he doesn't represent the bulky of the crew. I find it no coincidence either that Marco, Ace, Jozu and Vista are the lowest-number division commanders and yet the ones that appeared to have the biggest importance in the war... seems to me the low-number division commanders are intended to be the strongest, even if the hierarchy isn't so consistent (Oden being the 2nd division commander, like you brought up).

 

[Warmmedown]

1 - Kaya
2 - Onion
3 - Morgan
4 - Alvida
5 - Buggy
6 - Vivi
7 - Mr 1
8 - Mr 2
9 - Lucci
10 - Chopper

 

[Future Warrior]

I think he's at least Cracker's tier by virtue of being at least one of the most fleshed out WB's commanders, which would put him on par with Doflamingo at least.

That's basically where I put him. I know we've reached the point where far higher power is shown, but Doflamingo isn't weak by any stretch of the imagination. If he worked for a Yonko he'd certainly fit the role for a division commander.

 

[ahill1]

That's true.

 

[Future Warrior]

With the recent reveal that all the Yonko's have advanced Conquerors Haki, it seems like they really are on a whole separate tier from the Admirals.

 

[SSJ2]

Prime Garp and Sengoku are the only ones above them. The current Admirals could beat them 2v1 but wouldn't last long solo.

 

[Future Warrior]

Just realized Rocks D. Xebec should be God tier due to portrayal.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Actual God tier - ToGODshi
God tier - Gol D. Roger, Prime Whitebeard, Prime Garp
S Tier - Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, Old Whitebeard, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Mihawk, Old Garp
A Tier - Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Marco, Sabo, Fujitora
B Tier - Katakuri, Luffy (WCI), Vista
C Tier - Doflamingo, Ace, Jozu, Cracker

 

[ahill1]

Actual God tier - ToGODshi
God tier - Gol D. Roger, Prime Whitebeard, Prime Garp
S Tier - Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, Old Whitebeard, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Mihawk, Old Garp
A Tier - Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Marco, Sabo, Fujitora
B Tier - Katakuri, Luffy (WCI), Vista
C Tier - Doflamingo, Ace, Jozu, Cracker

Based!

 

[Future Warrior]

Actual God tier - ToGODshi
God tier - Gol D. Roger, Prime Whitebeard, Prime Garp
S Tier - Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, Old Whitebeard, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Mihawk, Old Garp
A Tier - Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Marco, Sabo, Fujitora
B Tier - Katakuri, Luffy (WCI), Vista
C Tier - Doflamingo, Ace, Jozu, Cracker

No chapter for 2+ years.

 

[Future Warrior]

I put the Calamities that low with how disappointing their fighting power are.

 

[SSJ2]

How'd you make that?

 

[Future Warrior]

https://tiermaker.com/create/one-piece-power-list-6995

 

[SSJ2]

 

[Future Warrior]

You disrespected the shit out of Doffy lol.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't see him being above any of those guys. Jack was sent to rescue him when he was captured. The Scabbards listed were shown to be around Jack's level. Big Mom's commanders are also above him as can be seen by Luffy vs Cracker. Everyone else would kick his ass currently.