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I am announcing that I have become Dragon Ball Z movies expert. After 10 years of hard work and analyzing everything regarding the movies and how they regard to the anime and manga to even the smallest detail possible, I dare you to ask me whatever you want regarding the movies and how they are comparable to the series so I can explain myself better
 

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A question I was asked.

Him: Pakl, How is Movie 3 so weird with battle powers. Goku is 30k+, but he was never stated to be 30k+ in the series.

Me: Movie 3 was released on July 7 1990 between episode 54 to 55. The movie is based on the first arc of the Freeza Saga, the Namek Saga. At that arc, Goku was in the middle of his training on his spaceship on the way to Namek and the humans were training at Kaio. in episode 54, Goku controls the 50x gravity so we can assume Goku post 50× gravity was 30k+. Since the movie is based on the Namek Arc where they were mid training, TOEI gave them random power levels in between the Vegeta Arc to the Ginyu arc. The 30k number for Goku represents the strongest base character at that point who was Monster Zarbon. Goku surpasses him and is comparable to Vegeta (post Zarbon) who was 30k. That's backed up with the fact the highest basic power on the manga 3 months (the time it takes to produce the movie) was Vegeta after he killed Zarbon. Piccolo was given the power level of 18k becuase that was the power stated for Vegeta in the Vegeta Arc as said by Dodoria in the Namek Arc which is the arc movie 3 follows.

Him:Ok. But what about Gohan? He was stated to be 10,000 in movie 3 but the movie came out before he got his power up from the elder namek. Before, that he was said to be 1,500 in the manga and surpassing 10,000 vs Guldo.

Me: You need to differ between the anime and the manga. The movies are based on the anime and the anime contradicts the manga a lot of time. It's true in both the manga and anime, Gohan was stated to be 1,500 but in the anime, his power is later stated to be greater. In the anime, After Dodoria chases Gohan and Krillin, Zarbon wonders who Gohannand Krillin were and that their power levels were somewhat stronger than the Namekians, meaning stronger than 3,000. That's anime hax. In the manga, Gohan and Krillin are stated to be over 10,000 when they fought. In the Anime though, this line was not used by Jiece. That's probably because Gohan was already showing power of 10,000 in movie 3 which was a needed hax, greater than somewhat stronger than 3,000 but somewhat weaker than he was vs Guldo in the manga. In the anime, Jiece even states that when Gohan fought Recoome, his power level reached over 20,000. So there is no contradiction.
 

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@Pakl why is Dende Kami-Sama in movie 9? Did Toriyama tell them Piccolo and Kami were merging and they assumed Dende was next in line?

Other than production and release dates, do we have any reason to assume Movie 4 isn’t post Freeza fight?
 

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@Pakl why is Dende Kami-Sama in movie 9? Did Toriyama tell them Piccolo and Kami were merging and they assumed Dende was next in line?

Other than production and release dates, do we have any reason to assume Movie 4 isn’t post Freeza fight?
Movie 6, not movie 9. I admit Dende is the only thing that I don't understand regarding to the movies but since it has no effect of the power scaling of the anime then it doesn't contradict anything

Your question is wrong by itself. Production and release dates are the main thing that matters. Otherwise what would Toei base the movie on? Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Arc. You can also tell it by watching the movie.
 

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Your question is wrong by itself. Production and release dates are the main thing that matters. Otherwise what would Toei base the movie on? Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Arc. You can also tell it by watching the movie.

The production and release dates are from the fight with Freeza though. When the movie was released Piccolo was fighting 2nd form Freeza in the anime, and Goku was making the Genki-Dama in the manga. Production date is somewhere between Piccolo’s revival and Vegeta’s final stand with Freeza.
 

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Production date is somewhere between Piccolo’s revival and Vegeta’s final stand with Freeza.
Which makes it more apparent that the film isn't based on Goku's final Zenkai. Goku didn't even begin fighting Freeza until January of 1991 - and the film released March 19th 1991. The producers might have known about Goku's Base power by that point in time, but it makes little sense for the film to be based on his level from 2 months before the release.
 

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Which makes it more apparent that the film isn't based on Goku's final Zenkai. Goku didn't even begin fighting Freeza until January of 1991 - and the film released March 19th 1991. The producers might have known about Goku's Base power by that point in time, but it makes little sense for the film to be based on his level from 2 months before the release.

But everyone’s else’s power level was a given. Makes even less sense for Piccolo, Gohan and Kuririn to be on levels far weaker than the ones they were displaying currently.
 

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Come to think of it, Movie 1 does have Goku and co. weaker than their contemporary mid-late Saiyan Saga selves. Movies can probably before, at the same time, or after current events. Not sure with one is Movie 4 though.
 

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What's weird about M4 is that Goku didn't even use Kaioken until the very end of the film iirc. It didn't seem like he was at his post zenkai level.
 

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The production and release dates are from the fight with Freeza though. When the movie was released Piccolo was fighting 2nd form Freeza in the anime, and Goku was making the Genki-Dama in the manga. Production date is somewhere between Piccolo’s revival and Vegeta’s final stand with Freeza.
The production was made way before the release date.

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This is a comment from Toriyama on December 8 1992. That's about movie 8 which was released 3 months later.

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This is a promo for movie 7, just after movie 6 ended.

From this we can conclude that it takes Toei a month to make the the script and another 3 months to produce the movie.

The last chapter 3 months prior to movie 4 release was Vegeta after he recieved his last zenkai and was about to fight Final Form Freeza.

Now, what is your point? Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Arc. Goku is 90k. Gohan and Krillin are likely over 20k like they were when they fought Ginyu.
 

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Which makes it more apparent that the film isn't based on Goku's final Zenkai. Goku didn't even begin fighting Freeza until January of 1991 - and the film released March 19th 1991. The producers might have known about Goku's Base power by that point in time, but it makes little sense for the film to be based on his level from 2 months before the release.
First, movie 4 was released on March 9 and not March 19. Second, the manga is there only so Toei can make the anime and the movies at the same time. If it was not for the manga, making the movies would not be possible. The movies only follow the anime time line regarding power dealings and everything. The manga is totally irrelevant from a time line perspective as also stated by Koyama himself. Also, if Toei would have made anyone in the movies as strong as the strongest character in the manga at that point, then how would they even know how strong the villian of the movie would be?

There is a reason why almost every movie starts it's production at a certain point in the manga.

Movie 8's script for example started while Goku was about to fight Cell in the manga but the movie was released while Goku was about to fight Cell in the anime.

See now the connection?
 

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Broly > Perfect Cell.

Change my mind.
Impossible as the strongest character in the manga by the time movie 8 started its production was CG Goku and the suppressed Cell he fought. Who would TOEI base Broli's power on? someone who did not exist?

Movie 8 Broli ~ Suppressed Perfect Cell (vs Goku)
 
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