Pamput?

[Fantastische Hure]

how strong u think?

personally i think he has to be below goku from the 21st tournament despite of wot he did, bcoz master-roshi said he's just highest ordinary-level (human), where-as he said when training them for the 21st-tournament that he wanted them to surpass that level

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He's weak.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He's weak.

he, how abt u elobarate plz???

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Roshi said about 22nd TB Krillin that he's almost superhuman, so i see no problem with Pamput being 21st Goku.

 

[Future Warrior]

The only feat going for him is he can break the Budokai wall, but I wouldn't look too close on it. I'm willing to put him around Goku (21BT W/O Tail)

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Master-Roshi said they already surpassed it by 21st-tournament, IIRC. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku 21 treated breaking the wall as a good feat, so between tail and tailless Goku

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I put him on 21st Goku level, mostly because of the wall breaking feat being a big deal back then. (Even though Goku crushed a boulder with his bare hands before any training.)

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku 21 treated breaking the wall as a good feat, so between tail and tailless Goku

What do you make of Master-Roshi calling Pamput only ordinary?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I put him on 21st Goku level, mostly because of the wall breaking feat being a big deal back then. (Even though Goku crushed a boulder with his bare hands before any training.)

Goku (before training) > Goku (post-training) confirmed

 

[SSJ2]

The wall is supah durable

 

[Future Warrior]

Goku (With Tail) : 100
Pamput : 83
Goku (With Tail) : 75

This could work no?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku (With Tail) : 100
Pamput : 83
Goku (With Tail) : 75

This could work no?

But Goku without tail'd still have to have surpassed ordinary-levels, though since Master-Roshi said that that was the goal before the training.

 

[SSJ2]

Maybe that goal wasn't reached.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Roshi was pretty shocked at how much Goku and Kuririn had improved from their training with him.

 

[SSJ2]

True. Then idk. It's just weird that Goku used the wall in the 21st as proof that he got his power back.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True. Then idk. It's just weird that Goku used the wall in the 21st as proof that he got his power back.

& IIRC Giran gave-up based on it. k k k

I don't know. I personally think in this case taking the statement makes more sense, but it's confusing of-sorts.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Well Goku was still harmed by bullets in Muscle Tower. So who knows.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Roshi was pretty shocked at how much Goku and Kuririn had improved from their training with him.

ye, they surpassed his expectations

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well Goku was still harmed by bullets in Muscle Tower. So who knows.

True, but I think things like that in-general are harder to gauge (and more inconsistent in convenient times probably).