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Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.
Nah, Trunks was irrelevant by the time Goku powered up to his 50%. heck even Buff Cell as well.Fantastische Hure said:Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.
Only if you look at the hype.Fearless Boo said:Nah, Trunks was irrelevant by the time Goku powered up to his 50%. heck even Buff Cell as well.Fantastische Hure said:Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.
Pakl said:Warm up Perfect Cell is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku as the latter is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks... Goku was the same level since he got out of the rosat until he powered up vs Cell.. His power up for Korin was a demonstration...
50% MSSjin Goku > SSjinG 3 Trunks > Warm Up Perfect Cell ~ Resting/Warm Up Perfect Cell > SSjinG 2 Vegeta
Also Piccolo is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku... He has nothing to be so strong... Everything says he is not...
Yeah I thought it was true until I learned Trunks' line ("Cell is actually that strong? I was afraid of it", in response to Goku saying he was probably < Cell) is a Viz exclusive line.SSJ2 said:I thought you were just arguing elsewhere that warm up Goku was not 50%, @ahill1?
SSJ2 said:Didn't he say that Vegeta will provide him a nice warm up?
SSJ2 said:Anyway, Cell has 3 levels, no?
-Initial ~ ki hidden.
-Initial ~ warming up, > Vegeta
-Serious ~ tanks Vegeta's kick
Cell also thought he could tank a blast from Vegeta, even-though blasts are a real headache, so yeah.ahill1 said:![]()
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SSJ2 said:Anyway, Cell has 3 levels, no?
-Initial ~ ki hidden.
-Initial ~ warming up, > Vegeta
-Serious ~ tanks Vegeta's kick
I'd call Cell's initial chi hidden as "warm up" Cell, as it was described that way in the manga. That level is still < Vegeta, as stated by #16. Vegeta was probably that enranged because Cell was still not serious, as said by the Prince in the scan I posted. Cell's level that far outstrip Vegeta was his "a little serious" one, which tanked Vegeta's kick:
Cell warm up - 90
Vegeta SSJG2 - 100
Cell little serious - 150~200
^Something like this, I guess.
SSJ2 said:Vegeta didn't really look superior there to me. Cell is smiling the whole time and just blocking Vegeta's hits. I'd say they're even there.
The fight was relatively short. It started with Cell blocking Vegeta's kick and elbow, with Vegeta exerting effort, which isn't a good indicative though, seeing as he was seemingly using effort in his fight against Semi Cell and that could be due to the Grade 2 strain, I don't know. After it, they sparred evenly and it ended with Vegeta blocking Cell's attack and this latter retreating. #16, who saw the entire fight and has a power radar, said Vegeta was still better at everything, only being shocked when learning Cell was just warming up.SSJ2 said:Statements can be contradicted. Where do you see Vegeta being better at everything there?
But what about Cell calling "warm up" the level he used initially against Vegeta?SSJ2 said:I would say the level at which he tooled Vegeta in, yeah.
ahill1 said:Pakl said:Warm up Perfect Cell is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku as the latter is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks... Goku was the same level since he got out of the rosat until he powered up vs Cell.. His power up for Korin was a demonstration...
50% MSSjin Goku > SSjinG 3 Trunks > Warm Up Perfect Cell ~ Resting/Warm Up Perfect Cell > SSjinG 2 Vegeta
Also Piccolo is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku... He has nothing to be so strong... Everything says he is not...
Nothing says 50% MSSJ Goku is above SSJG3 Trunks in raw power. It might be true, but that's nothing definitive.
Also, nothing says Goku MSSJ (rest state) = Goku MSSJ (vs Cell). I actually believe the MSSJ Goku who fought in the warm up against Perfect Cell is his 50% self.
Piccolo could very well be at 50% Goku's power, as he probably knew Goku's demonstration at Karin wasn't his full power.
There's no proof of it, and they most likely aren't the same. If you believe Cell (warm up/ vs Goku) is >>> Vegeta SSJG2, then the same would apply for resting state Goku.Pakl said:50% MSSjin Goku is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks because his resting state and warm up state are the same and its way below half his power...
Until the Cell Games. Nothing says it's the level he used in the warm up.Pakl said:He exists the rosat and stays at the same level his natural MSSjin state until he powers up vs Cell.
I did and it hangs on the conjecture of Goku (warm up, vs Cell) being his resting state level, which isn't a need, specially if you believe Perfect Cell (warm up, vs Goku) is the same level he used to tank Vegeta's kick.Pakl said:Lookat this thread I made...
It does. Trunks' showed surprise at Piccolo's uselessness at the Cell Games, that is, he wasn't expecting it.Pakl said:Nothing says Piccolo expected Goku and Cell to be stronger.. He thought half of Goku power was his max and still said he was irrelevant
There is evidence... M8 Goku design shows Goku when he existed the Rosat and his warm up vs Cell hence they are the same... Goku is never shown powering up... He is in his natural MSSjin state the whole time... Look at his eyes.. Yes both Warm Up Cell and resting Goku are >> SSjinG 2 Vegeta... Goku not having an aura the whole time too proves it...ahill1 said:There's no proof of it, and they most likely aren't the same. If you believe Cell (warm up/ vs Goku) is >>> Vegeta SSJG2, then the same would apply for resting state Goku.Pakl said:50% MSSjin Goku is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks because his resting state and warm up state are the same and its way below half his power...
Until the Cell Games. Nothing says it's the level he used in the warm up.Pakl said:He exists the rosat and stays at the same level his natural MSSjin state until he powers up vs Cell.
I did and it hangs on the conjecture of Goku (warm up, vs Cell) being his resting state level, which isn't a need, specially if you believe Perfect Cell (warm up, vs Goku) is the same level he used to tank Vegeta's kick.Pakl said:Lookat this thread I made...
It does. Trunks' showed surprise at Piccolo's uselessness at the Cell Games, that is, he wasn't expecting it.Pakl said:Nothing says Piccolo expected Goku and Cell to be stronger.. He thought half of Goku power was his max and still said he was irrelevant