Piccolo Post Rosat vs Warming Up Perfect Cell

[Fantastische Hure]

Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.

Nah, Trunks was irrelevant by the time Goku powered up to his 50%. heck even Buff Cell as well.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Super-Saiyan Grade-III Trunks > 50% Goku by a bit I think.

Nah, Trunks was irrelevant by the time Goku powered up to his 50%. heck even Buff Cell as well.

Only if you look at the hype.

 

[ahill1]

Warm up Perfect Cell is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku as the latter is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks... Goku was the same level since he got out of the rosat until he powered up vs Cell.. His power up for Korin was a demonstration...

50% MSSjin Goku > SSjinG 3 Trunks > Warm Up Perfect Cell ~ Resting/Warm Up Perfect Cell > SSjinG 2 Vegeta

Also Piccolo is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku... He has nothing to be so strong... Everything says he is not...

Nothing says 50% MSSJ Goku is above SSJG3 Trunks in raw power. It might be true, but that's nothing definitive.

Also, nothing says Goku MSSJ (rest state) = Goku MSSJ (vs Cell). I actually believe the MSSJ Goku who fought in the warm up against Perfect Cell is his 50% self.

Piccolo could very well be at 50% Goku's power, as he probably knew Goku's demonstration at Karin wasn't his full power.

 

[SSJ2]

I thought you were just arguing elsewhere that warm up Goku was not 50%, @ahill1?

 

[ahill1]

I thought you were just arguing elsewhere that warm up Goku was not 50%, @ahill1?

Yeah I thought it was true until I learned Trunks' line ("Cell is actually that strong? I was afraid of it", in response to Goku saying he was probably < Cell) is a Viz exclusive line.

 

[ahill1]

Oh wait, you meant the thread I just created?? Oh well, that's actually a possibility, considering Cell called "warm up" the level he used initially against Vegeta, which was described as still < Vegeta SSJG2 by #16.

 

[SSJ2]

Didn't he say that Vegeta will provide him a nice warm up?

 

[ahill1]

Didn't he say that Vegeta will provide him a nice warm up?

No, Cell only said "Would you mind helping me warm up?", to which Vegeta said it'd end pretty fast.

What Cell described as "warm up" was the level used in his initial scuffle against Vegeta, implied to be < Bejita by #16 and Kuririn. Look at the page:

 

[SSJ2]

Can't see the image.

Anyway, Cell has 3 levels, no?

-Initial ~ ki hidden.
-Initial ~ warming up, > Vegeta
-Serious ~ tanks Vegeta's kick

 

[ahill1]

What about now?

Anyway, Cell has 3 levels, no?

-Initial ~ ki hidden.
-Initial ~ warming up, > Vegeta
-Serious ~ tanks Vegeta's kick

I'd call Cell's initial chi hidden as "warm up" Cell, as it was described that way in the manga. That level is still < Vegeta, as stated by #16. Vegeta was probably that enranged because Cell was still not serious, as said by the Prince in the scan I posted. Cell's level that far outstrip Vegeta was his "a little serious" one, which tanked Vegeta's kick:

Cell warm up - 90
Vegeta SSJG2 - 100
Cell little serious - 150~200

^Something like this, I guess.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What about now?

Anyway, Cell has 3 levels, no?

-Initial ~ ki hidden.
-Initial ~ warming up, > Vegeta
-Serious ~ tanks Vegeta's kick

I'd call Cell's initial chi hidden as "warm up" Cell, as it was described that way in the manga. That level is still < Vegeta, as stated by #16. Vegeta was probably that enranged because Cell was still not serious, as said by the Prince in the scan I posted. Cell's level that far outstrip Vegeta was his "a little serious" one, which tanked Vegeta's kick:

Cell warm up - 90
Vegeta SSJG2 - 100
Cell little serious - 150~200

^Something like this, I guess.

Cell also thought he could tank a blast from Vegeta, even-though blasts are a real headache, so yeah.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta didn't really look superior there to me. Cell is smiling the whole time and just blocking Vegeta's hits. I'd say they're even there.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta didn't really look superior there to me. Cell is smiling the whole time and just blocking Vegeta's hits. I'd say they're even there.

Well yeah, but it's still stated Vegeta is better than Cell at everything, by #16. They might be close, but Vegeta is the superior one imo, and his anger being explained by Cell not taking him serious.

What level do you think Cell used in his warm up against Goku? The same level he used against Vegeta, which was still stated to be < the Prince?

 

[SSJ2]

Statements can be contradicted. Where do you see Vegeta being better at everything there?

I would say the level at which he tooled Vegeta in, yeah.

 

[ahill1]

Statements can be contradicted. Where do you see Vegeta being better at everything there?

The fight was relatively short. It started with Cell blocking Vegeta's kick and elbow, with Vegeta exerting effort, which isn't a good indicative though, seeing as he was seemingly using effort in his fight against Semi Cell and that could be due to the Grade 2 strain, I don't know. After it, they sparred evenly and it ended with Vegeta blocking Cell's attack and this latter retreating. #16, who saw the entire fight and has a power radar, said Vegeta was still better at everything, only being shocked when learning Cell was just warming up.

I would say the level at which he tooled Vegeta in, yeah.

But what about Cell calling "warm up" the level he used initially against Vegeta?

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah he was warming up for that fight, not the one with Goku.

 

[Pakl]

Warm up Perfect Cell is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku as the latter is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks... Goku was the same level since he got out of the rosat until he powered up vs Cell.. His power up for Korin was a demonstration...

50% MSSjin Goku > SSjinG 3 Trunks > Warm Up Perfect Cell ~ Resting/Warm Up Perfect Cell > SSjinG 2 Vegeta

Also Piccolo is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku... He has nothing to be so strong... Everything says he is not...

Nothing says 50% MSSJ Goku is above SSJG3 Trunks in raw power. It might be true, but that's nothing definitive.

Also, nothing says Goku MSSJ (rest state) = Goku MSSJ (vs Cell). I actually believe the MSSJ Goku who fought in the warm up against Perfect Cell is his 50% self.

Piccolo could very well be at 50% Goku's power, as he probably knew Goku's demonstration at Karin wasn't his full power.

50% MSSjin Goku is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks because his resting state and warm up state are the same and its way below half his power... 50% of his power was just a demonstration to Karin because his full power had to be a secret until the CG... He exists the rosat and stays at the same level his natural MSSjin state until he powers up vs Cell... Lookat this thread I made...

http://i1.ideahost.com/~dbzetane/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=308&sid=52ddcfdf645673586ee791e4a5825086

Nothing says Piccolo expected Goku and Cell to be stronger.. He thought half of Goku power was his max and still said he was irrelevant

 

[ahill1]

50% MSSjin Goku is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks because his resting state and warm up state are the same and its way below half his power...

There's no proof of it, and they most likely aren't the same. If you believe Cell (warm up/ vs Goku) is >>> Vegeta SSJG2, then the same would apply for resting state Goku.

He exists the rosat and stays at the same level his natural MSSjin state until he powers up vs Cell.

Until the Cell Games. Nothing says it's the level he used in the warm up.

Lookat this thread I made...

I did and it hangs on the conjecture of Goku (warm up, vs Cell) being his resting state level, which isn't a need, specially if you believe Perfect Cell (warm up, vs Goku) is the same level he used to tank Vegeta's kick.

Nothing says Piccolo expected Goku and Cell to be stronger.. He thought half of Goku power was his max and still said he was irrelevant

It does. Trunks' showed surprise at Piccolo's uselessness at the Cell Games, that is, he wasn't expecting it.

 

[Pakl]

50% MSSjin Goku is stronger than SSjinG 3 Trunks because his resting state and warm up state are the same and its way below half his power...

There's no proof of it, and they most likely aren't the same. If you believe Cell (warm up/ vs Goku) is >>> Vegeta SSJG2, then the same would apply for resting state Goku.

He exists the rosat and stays at the same level his natural MSSjin state until he powers up vs Cell.

Until the Cell Games. Nothing says it's the level he used in the warm up.

Lookat this thread I made...

I did and it hangs on the conjecture of Goku (warm up, vs Cell) being his resting state level, which isn't a need, specially if you believe Perfect Cell (warm up, vs Goku) is the same level he used to tank Vegeta's kick.

Nothing says Piccolo expected Goku and Cell to be stronger.. He thought half of Goku power was his max and still said he was irrelevant

It does. Trunks' showed surprise at Piccolo's uselessness at the Cell Games, that is, he wasn't expecting it.

There is evidence... M8 Goku design shows Goku when he existed the Rosat and his warm up vs Cell hence they are the same... Goku is never shown powering up... He is in his natural MSSjin state the whole time... Look at his eyes.. Yes both Warm Up Cell and resting Goku are >> SSjinG 2 Vegeta... Goku not having an aura the whole time too proves it...

No... Trunks was surprised Goku was so blunt... Piccolo says he is irrelevant while he thinks 50% MSSjin Goku is a match for Cell... Also only Vegeta and Trunks were said to be able to fight the Cell Jrs... Piccolo is much weaker than them... That makes him at least below 50% MSSjin Goku