Piccolo (U6 vs U7 Tournament) takes the gauntlet

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Again, Saiyan Beyond God (the "base" form that has absorbed power from SSJG) is a separate state from the base they used in the U6 Tournament and the Future Trunks Saga. All your statements prove is that SBG is stronger than Buuhan, which is definitely true.

 

[Pocket-God]

I don't go with a two bases thing, I just go with everyone is still weak as fck unless they're using their God Form, SSB for Vegeta and Goku, Golden for Frieza, Rose for Black and That new form for Trunks. Which is why I go with all the U6 people being trash with Hit as the only exception :V

 

[Papasmurf]

Why would they selectively use it against SSJ3 Gotenks but not against U6 opponents in a situation where Goku was clearly trying to save stamina? That's bullshit.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Anything to under-power Piccolo.

 

[Papasmurf]

In the same series where Future Trunks went from getting one-shotted by SSJ3 Goku to keeping up with god tiers? I think not.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

In the same series where Future Trunks went from getting one-shotted by SSJ3 Goku to keeping up with god tiers? I think not.

I meant people making excuses, so Piccolo doesn't become high.

 

[Papasmurf]

I know. I was just saying the reasoning is absolutely stupid since it's pretty much saying Champa felt confident that guys who are barely above base pre-God Goku would hold their own in a tournament where Hit (who's SSJG tier even in the manga) was participating, and knowing his opponents have been trained by Whis. It's dumb and just tries to dodge circles around the fact that Goku doesn't transform against Hit initially to save stamina, yet Vegeta does so against Frost and the robot and even struggles against the latter when he could just use god powers in base and finish him off instantly. Yeah right.

And above all, if they want to emphasize that kind of a difference, why wouldn't there be a statement denoting that at all? Or a statement saying Goku's base was much lower against Botamo, Frost and such compared to when he fought Freeza?

All BS imo.

 

[Animelover5487]

Papasmurf, what do you think about Base Goku injuring Hit?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think Hit was probably suppressed in both the anime and manga at the time.