Piccolo W/ Weights vs Gohan

[Power Level Guy]

During the time of Nappa and Vegeta. Piccolo took off his weights before the Saiyans get there, how strong is he in comparison to Gohan if he keeps the weights on?

 

[SSJ2]

I'm still not sure on where to place Gohan here without rage. I'm inclined to think Piccolo can beat him pretty easily.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'm still not sure on where to place Gohan here without rage. I'm inclined to think Piccolo can beat him pretty easily.

Where do you have Gohan when his eyes blanked out and he kicked Nappa into a mountain? That level seems above Pickles for sure.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'm still not sure on where to place Gohan here without rage. I'm inclined to think Piccolo can beat him pretty easily.

Whoa, really? Regular, non-enraged Gohan is that strong?

 

[SSJ2]

Where do you have Gohan when his eyes blanked out and he kicked Nappa into a mountain? That level seems above Pickles for sure.

Wasn't he channeling his enraged power there?

 

[SSJ2]

Whoa, really? Regular, non-enraged Gohan is that strong?

What you mean? I said Piccolo can beat him easily.

 

[Papasmurf]

Wasn't he channeling his enraged power there?

Yeah but he was obviously less enraged than when Piccolo actually died. I was asking what level you have him at at that moment.

 

[SSJ2]

Maybe 2400. Strong enough to enrage Nappa and surprise even Vegeta.

 

[Power Level Guy]

What you mean? I said Piccolo can beat him easily.

Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?

Yeah but he was obviously less enraged than when Piccolo actually died. I was asking what level you have him at at that moment.

Is Masenko amped here?

 

[Papasmurf]

Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?



Is Masenko amped here?

Show me the page where the Masenko was being charged. Cbf to look it up myself since I'm pretty busy today and this is part of my procrastination routine.

 

[SSJ2]

Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?

Maybe? I've got Namek Piccolo's weighted boost as a 1.22x boost. Applying that here I'd still have weighted Piccolo well over 1500.

Is Masenko amped here?

It could be, but early in the series Gohan's rage boost far eclipses his amplification to the point where I'm not sure he'd gain a boost. I kind of view it like the Kaioken situation. He's already getting an unnatural boost beyond his limits, I'm not sure they stack.

 

[SSJ2]

Show me the page where the Masenko was being charged. Cbf to look it up myself since I'm pretty busy today and this is part of my procrastination routine.

 

[Papasmurf]

It honestly doesn't appear to be charged based on Gohan getting into the stance immediately and it being fired as soon as Vegeta and Nappa finished talking (which in the DB universe takes like half a second based on how long it took for Namek to blow up in 5 minutes). So I'd go with uncharged. Especially when Gohan was shown having trouble following the Saibamen's movements because he was such a noob and following with only his eyes while a weaker Chaozu could keep up.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It honestly doesn't appear to be charged based on Gohan getting into the stance immediately and it being fired as soon as Vegeta and Nappa finished talking (which in the DB universe takes like half a second based on how long it took for Namek to blow up in 5 minutes). So I'd go with uncharged. Especially when Gohan was shown having trouble following the Saibamen's movements because he was such a noob and following with only his eyes while a weaker Chaozu could keep up.

Yeah, I think you may be right. Gohan's ki control is garbage. If he can't even keep up with the fight, how would he realistically have any significant amp.

But part of me feels giving him at least something, even if it's tiny. Hmm...

 

[Papasmurf]

2750 -> 2800 it is then

 

[Power Level Guy]

2750 -> 2800 it is then

Haha well I typically go with 2,500.

I usually put Gohan at 1,250 with the battle, but I'm getting the feeling he might not be that weak. I don't think he gets a stated zenkai, maybe he really is 1,500 the whole time and just not in the game ki wise?

 

[Papasmurf]

Haha well I typically go with 2,500.

I usually put Gohan at 1,250 with the battle, but I'm getting the feeling he might not be that weak. I don't think he gets a stated zenkai, maybe he really is 1,500 the whole time and just not in the game ki wise?

Even if Gohan doesn't necessarily get a zenkai from the Nappa beating I feel like he should get stronger simply by virtue of being a Saiyan here. Goku didn't exactly go through near death in the 21st and the only real injury he suffered in the Muscle Tower mini-arc was getting shot in the head (which didn't even draw blood), but he powered up massively due to the consecutive fights. So Gohan pre-Nappa should be significantly below 1500. This is also consistent with Vegeta later stating that Saiyans get stronger the more they fight, and especially when driven to near-death.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So Gohan pre-Nappa should be significantly below 1500. This is also consistent with Vegeta later stating that Saiyans get stronger the more they fight, and especially when driven to near-death.

Is Gohan near death against Nappa? I remember him and Krillen on the floor, but I don't remember how they got there. This reminds me of how freaking brutal Reecome was to Gohan. That whole thing was absurd.

 

[Papasmurf]

Is Gohan near death against Nappa? I remember him and Krillen on the floor, but I don't remember how they got there. This reminds me of how freaking brutal Reecome was to Gohan. That whole thing was absurd.

Gohan wasn't on the floor. He was just spent and out of Ki after firing the Masenko, which was (mostly) restored from the half a Senzu he got from Goku afterward.

And yeah the Reacoom thing was too much, breaking a 5 year old's neck and shit. Goku blaming Vegeta for killing Reacoom after that was honestly lol worthy when he kicked Nappa's ass to the point of no return over killing his friends that he meets like once every 4 years. I'd have killed Reacoom's bitch ass in a hearbeat if he did that to my kin.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Gohan wasn't on the floor. He was just spent and out of Ki after firing the Masenko, which was (mostly) restored from the half a Senzu he got from Goku afterward.

Damn, then even less of a reason for him to be so weak. Piccolo doesn't seem to act like the Saibamen are an existential threat to Gohan either, it's just that he can't see them.

I think Piccolo may have trained Gohan to bring out all of his power showed in the training scene where he blows away that mountain.

I think that level is 1,500 and Gohan's training for the year brought out all of his rage power accessible. That narrative makes sense to me.

Like, Gohan on Earth may = Gohan on Namek.