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During the time of Nappa and Vegeta. Piccolo took off his weights before the Saiyans get there, how strong is he in comparison to Gohan if he keeps the weights on?
Where do you have Gohan when his eyes blanked out and he kicked Nappa into a mountain? That level seems above Pickles for sure.I'm still not sure on where to place Gohan here without rage. I'm inclined to think Piccolo can beat him pretty easily.
Whoa, really? Regular, non-enraged Gohan is that strong?I'm still not sure on where to place Gohan here without rage. I'm inclined to think Piccolo can beat him pretty easily.
Wasn't he channeling his enraged power there?Where do you have Gohan when his eyes blanked out and he kicked Nappa into a mountain? That level seems above Pickles for sure.
What you mean? I said Piccolo can beat him easily.Whoa, really? Regular, non-enraged Gohan is that strong?
Yeah but he was obviously less enraged than when Piccolo actually died. I was asking what level you have him at at that moment.Wasn't he channeling his enraged power there?
Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?What you mean? I said Piccolo can beat him easily.
Is Masenko amped here?Yeah but he was obviously less enraged than when Piccolo actually died. I was asking what level you have him at at that moment.
Show me the page where the Masenko was being charged. Cbf to look it up myself since I'm pretty busy today and this is part of my procrastination routine.Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?
Is Masenko amped here?
Maybe? I've got Namek Piccolo's weighted boost as a 1.22x boost. Applying that here I'd still have weighted Piccolo well over 1500.Oh I misread that. Even Weighted Piccolo beats him easily? But Weighted Piccolo struggles with Krillen, right?
It could be, but early in the series Gohan's rage boost far eclipses his amplification to the point where I'm not sure he'd gain a boost. I kind of view it like the Kaioken situation. He's already getting an unnatural boost beyond his limits, I'm not sure they stack.Is Masenko amped here?
Yeah, I think you may be right. Gohan's ki control is garbage. If he can't even keep up with the fight, how would he realistically have any significant amp.It honestly doesn't appear to be charged based on Gohan getting into the stance immediately and it being fired as soon as Vegeta and Nappa finished talking (which in the DB universe takes like half a second based on how long it took for Namek to blow up in 5 minutes). So I'd go with uncharged. Especially when Gohan was shown having trouble following the Saibamen's movements because he was such a noob and following with only his eyes while a weaker Chaozu could keep up.
Haha well I typically go with 2,500.2750 -> 2800 it is then
Even if Gohan doesn't necessarily get a zenkai from the Nappa beating I feel like he should get stronger simply by virtue of being a Saiyan here. Goku didn't exactly go through near death in the 21st and the only real injury he suffered in the Muscle Tower mini-arc was getting shot in the head (which didn't even draw blood), but he powered up massively due to the consecutive fights. So Gohan pre-Nappa should be significantly below 1500. This is also consistent with Vegeta later stating that Saiyans get stronger the more they fight, and especially when driven to near-death.Haha well I typically go with 2,500.
I usually put Gohan at 1,250 with the battle, but I'm getting the feeling he might not be that weak. I don't think he gets a stated zenkai, maybe he really is 1,500 the whole time and just not in the game ki wise?
Is Gohan near death against Nappa? I remember him and Krillen on the floor, but I don't remember how they got there. This reminds me of how freaking brutal Reecome was to Gohan. That whole thing was absurd.So Gohan pre-Nappa should be significantly below 1500. This is also consistent with Vegeta later stating that Saiyans get stronger the more they fight, and especially when driven to near-death.
Gohan wasn't on the floor. He was just spent and out of Ki after firing the Masenko, which was (mostly) restored from the half a Senzu he got from Goku afterward.Is Gohan near death against Nappa? I remember him and Krillen on the floor, but I don't remember how they got there. This reminds me of how freaking brutal Reecome was to Gohan. That whole thing was absurd.
Damn, then even less of a reason for him to be so weak. Piccolo doesn't seem to act like the Saibamen are an existential threat to Gohan either, it's just that he can't see them.Gohan wasn't on the floor. He was just spent and out of Ki after firing the Masenko, which was (mostly) restored from the half a Senzu he got from Goku afterward.