Popular arcs you dislike?

[Flame]

It 's the other arcs.

It saddens me that you really believe that.

To this very day I'm depressed that you like SAO. 2

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It saddens me that you really believe that.

To this very day I'm depressed that you like SAO. 2

:rape :molest

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It saddens me that you really believe that.

To this very day I'm depressed that you like SAO. 2

:rape :molest

 

[Flame]

To this very day I'm depressed that you like SAO. 2

:rape :molest

:mikey You double posted

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

:rape :molest

:mikey You double posted

:molest :rape so good it got posted twice.

 

[SSJ2]

- Freeza and Cell Arcs (Dragon Ball)
- Soul Society (Bleach)
- CP9 (One Piece)
- Greed Island (Hunter X Hunter)
- Any Naruto Arc after the Chunin Exams
- Any Gintama Arc after Shogun Assassination.

May go into detail on those later on (other than the Freeza, Cell and CP9 Arcs which I've already talked about extensively in the Arc Rating/Review threads for DB and OP).

Greed island is well liked?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Most of the HxH fans I've met irl seem to like the arc for similar base reasons people like like SAO, and even the masses on forums and Youtube seem to not actively treat it as outright terrible.

 

[Flame]

It's at least better than the Chimera Ant arc. Not that that's a hard achievement.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It's at least better than the Chimera Ant arc. Not that that's a hard achievement.

Meet me on the streets, we'll settle this like men.

 

[Flame]

It's at least better than the Chimera Ant arc. Not that that's a hard achievement.

Meet me on the streets, we'll settle this like men.

If you feel the need to say something like this, then its clear that you know how horrible of an arc it is. You're just in denial baby.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It's at least better than the Chimera Ant arc. Not that that's a hard achievement.

Meet me on the streets, we'll settle this like men.

If you feel the need to say something like this, then its clear that you know how horrible of an arc it is. You're just in denial baby.

If you enjoy SAO, it's clear you're in denial.

Nah but really do you wanna debate this? I will go indepth for my reasons of considering all those arcs I listed off as overrated.

 

[Flame]

Meet me on the streets, we'll settle this like men.

If you feel the need to say something like this, then its clear that you know how horrible of an arc it is. You're just in denial baby.

If you enjoy SAO, it's clear you're in denial.

Nah but really do you wanna debate this? I will go indepth for my reasons of considering all those arcs I listed off as overrated.

It's not an uncommon opinion.

I'm interested in your replies to my view on the Chimera Ant arc, yes.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

If you feel the need to say something like this, then its clear that you know how horrible of an arc it is. You're just in denial baby.

If you enjoy SAO, it's clear you're in denial.

Nah but really do you wanna debate this? I will go indepth for my reasons of considering all those arcs I listed off as overrated.

It's not an uncommon opinion.

I'm interested in your replies to my view on the Chimera Ant arc, yes.

Then go in depth on why you dislike Chimera Ant Arc den. :mikey

 

[Jeff Styles]

Every arc in DB Super.

That's all I got.

 

[Flame]

I won't go too in depth, but I'll give my general reasons.

For starters, I do think the arc has a nice setup. It's pretty dark to begin with and following after with Kite being captured was the main driving force for Gon and Killua to be involved. The end also was rather, unique. It didn't bother me and it was satisfying to see all of these dirtbags die. Having Kite be a Chimera Ant though and a female at that was just . . . really weird and a bit disturbing.

Now a big thing this arc suffers from is its length. I mean, this usually wouldn't be an issue for a lot of series if the arc is good enough. But, well, the Chimera Ant arc is full of borish nonsense. There is far too much background on characters we really don't give a crap about. Their lives as humans and their character development. Yes, there is so much time and thought put into it. But too much characterization I believe is a thing. It's not the fact that it was bad characterization or development, it's more the fact that it was uninteresting, boring, random, and I honestly didn't give a crap about the characters. Who in general, were just not interesting. This is with of course the exception of the Royal Guard. I may despise them even more, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Power is a bit, well, too high. Do we ever see the protagonist characters get a good shot in? Besides Gon and Killua, not really tbh. Smoke guy (can't remember name) did overly well against Pouf but was unable to deal him any kind of defeat. Knock and whoever else was fighting with him failed immensely with fighting against the red guy. They had a lot of cool scenes, yeah, but ultimately they only bought time. They couldn't actually succeed in winning. The Old Man was already at death's doorstep, but his stand against Meurem felt almost idiotic and needless. He had hype and again a lot of background, but in the end proved to be fodder. They were at least lucky enough to have killed Meurem off. Granted, this isn't necessarily a good thing. If you're expecting a ba fight against Meurem--well that's a mistake. One never happens, him and the Royal Guard's power is way too high and they are hyped too much. They became an obstacle that is practically unreachable. This isn't a good thing to me. The ending to the arc was super anti climatic. Yes, the emotion was good and I appreciated it for that. But to me it was still lacking and too stereotypical. I see too much of these antagonists not being all that bad. Meurem's initial appearance was much more preferable to me.

Character wise . . . whoa. I mean, HxH lacks a lot of good characters. I'm not gonna lie. But I'd say there are a handful maybe, of good ones. This includes those such as Hisoka and Kurapika. But these characters aren't even in the arc. The most interesting one was Killua and he, well even he isn't all that. Gon was super unlikable in this arc and made a complete u-turn of character. Was this bad? Well, maybe not necessarily but it was odd. He wasn't like your generic shonen protag. Yes, they usually get pissed when someone close to them is murdered. But Pitou was straight up begging for mercy and Gon mercilessly slaughtered her. I mean, no other character that has bared similar traits to Gon would've done that. I don't think it was bad though and it added a lot. Sorry for this Gog, but it was satisfying as hell to see Pitou get destroyed--even if I pitied her near the end. But it was a nice new approach to this type of character. My problem though is that Gon doesn't feel the slightest bit of remorse afterwards. This kind of things just doesn't fit the character well at all. Very bothering.

Okay, here we go. This is what makes this arc bad. The redundant, consistent, never ending--over explaining. It literally felt like the narrator thought we were retards or something. Knock hits Youpi, we see it. The narrator then goes on: "Knock hits Youpi with his blah blah blah." It just explains every little detail that we can see well enough with our own eyes. Is it this bad in the manga? Idk, it's probably not and can be avoided pretty easily even if it was there. However this hurst the manga greatly. I also didn't notice until I had switched to subbed. It's possible that it doesn't exist in dubbed, which would be beneficial. In any case, this hurts the arc so badly and really made it almost unwatchable. I mean, I only kept watching to get through.

Anyways, I think that's all I had to say. I tried not to be savage.

@Pocket-Gog~

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Reading through your points, a majority of them is ultimately you admitting that what the Chimera Ant Arc set out to do, and what it did wasn't your cup of tea. That and you half remembering a lot of details about the story itself to the point where you have forgotten most of the characters names/events within the story.

Now a big thing this arc suffers from is its length. I mean, this usually wouldn't be an issue for a lot of series if the arc is good enough. Well, the Chimera Ant arc is full of borish nonsense. There is far too much background on characters we really don't give a crap about. Their lives as humans and their character development. Yes, there is so much time and thought put into it.

The length for the Chimera Ant Arc is completely needed for what the arc is trying to tackle and do. The relevant characters for the entirety of the Chimera Ant Arc are, Meruem, Neferpitou, Komugi, Shaiapouf, Menthuthuyoupi, Bloster, Cheetu, Colt, Leol, Meleoren, Zazan, Welfin, Flutter, Hina, Ikalgo, Orthoro Siblings, Rammot, Netero, Knov, Morel, Knuckle, Shoot, Gon, Killua, Palm, Ponzu, Zeno, and Pokkle. Who are all developed within this arc or previous arcs.

But if we're only including the Palace Invasion. Then we have Meruem, Neferpitou, Komugi, Shaiapouf, Menthuthuyoupi, Cheetu, Meloren, Welfin, Ikalgo, Morel, Knuckle, Shoot, Gon, Killua, Zeno, and Bloster. Which is still a sizeable amount of cast of characters, shrinking the length of the story and the story begins to suffer. And for the rest of what you say... Well you outright admit it's not bad.

But too much characterization I believe is a thing. It's not the fact that it was bad characterization or development

It's literally that what the arc did wasn't your cup of tea.

It's more the fact that it was uninteresting, boring, random, and I honestly didn't give a crap about the characters.

So you admit that it's not bad, but you don't like it. It's ultimately just a subjective reason for why you dislike it.

Alright, I'll do the same thing. Yu Yu doesn't have bad characterisation, but it was uninteresting boring, random and I honestly didn't give a crap about the characters. This isn't far from the truth on my stance on Yu Yu's characters. And it's the reason why I label that as subjective thoughts on the work itself.

Power is a bit, well, too high.

I find this funny considering Dragon Ball is your favourite franchise. And Dragon Ball often has monstrously powerful beings who are light years ahead of the protagonists. But unlike Dragon Ball your problem is more to do with the fact that the protagonists never get a power up which enables them to even the playing field/overwhelm their opponents.

Which would completely destroy the tension of going up against an overwhelmingly more powerful opponent. And take away how they managed to go toe to toe with these behemoths with strategy/team work. Not to mention make the whole battle incredibly generic, which is what you criticise a latter scene in the arc of being.

Smoke guy (can't remember name) did overly well against Pouf but was unable to deal him any kind of defeat.

Morel only did well against Pouf due to his ability, but even then Pouf outsmarted him.

Knock and whoever else was fighting with him failed immensely with fighting against the red guy. They had a lot of cool scenes, yeah, but ultimately they only bought time. They couldn't actually succeed in winning.

That is wrong. Shoot, and Knuckles, and Meloren came within a hairs breath of defeating Youpi despite the monstrous power gap. Instead of abusing a power up/transformation, they managed to nearly do it through teamwork/strategy and with their abilites. The only reason why they even lost was due to Youpi making a deal with Knuckles, in exchange for Morel's life he would recall A.P.R, and Knuckles recalled A.P.R.

If Knuckles had refused, Youpi would have killed Morel, but he would have lost due to A.P.R taking affect.

The Old Man was already at death's doorstep, but his stand against Meurem felt almost idiotic and needless. He had hype and again a lot of background, but in the end proved to be fodder.

Netero is arguably the strongest human Nen user in the world, the only ones who are possibly stronger than him is Ging. However, Netero had a habit of underestimating himself, like the time where he stated that Morel and Knov surpass him in strength, which was later revealed to be false.

Netero went up against Meruem. The pinnacle of a race, a being over ten times stronger than him, and easily the most powerful warrior in all of Hunter x Hunter. Not only that, but Netero duelled him to a near draw, with his powerful ability, and incredible skill. It's repeatedly stated throughout their duel that Netero had to constantly make the best possible move otherwise Meruem would overwhelm him with the power advantage.

And Netero would have defeated Meruem if it were not for the fact that Meruem had learnt and mastered pattern recognition from his duels with Komugi in Gunghi. Which is paramount to how Meruem defeated Netero.

And even then, Meruem had lost from the very beginning. Netero had a secret nuclear bomb within him. Netero's last stand wasn't idiotic, it wasn't needless. It was paramount and instrumental in defeating Meruem.

In what universe is that fodder?

They were at least lucky enough to have killed Meurem off.

They never beat Meruem based off luck alone. It was all according to Netero's plan from the very beginning.

The ending to the arc was super anti climatic. Yes, the emotion was good and I appreciated it for that. But to me it was still lacking and too stereotypical.

How was the ending anti climatic, and stereotypical? The ending of the arc is a sombre, bittersweet end to the arc. Meruem is dying and he chooses to end his finial hours with the woman he loves. It completes Meruem's character arc, and the themes of love, and humanity which were introduced within this incredibly dark arc.

I see too much of these antagonists not being all that bad. Meurem's initial appearance was much more preferable to me.

The whole entire point of Meruem is that he was that bad, through a slow burn development his views and ideas are gradually tested and begin to change. You'd prefer that Meruem was just a one dimensional villain? And cut out all of the development he went through which tied into the themes of love and humanity of the arc itself? Therefore completely neutering it of all depth that Togashi put into it?

Gon was super unlikable in this arc and made a complete u-turn of character. Was this bad? Well, maybe not necessarily but it was odd. He wasn't like your generic shonen protag. Yes, they usually get pissed when someone close to them is murdered.

You flip flop on this point you describe it as a U turn on his character, and then you describe it as bad, but then you say it's not bad, but then you say it's odd. Gon's development in the Chimera Ant Arc is quite inline with how Gon acts throughout the entirety of Hunter x Hunter. He's an emotional character who cares a lot about his friends. If Gon hadn't acted like this when the man who had inspired him to be the person he was today (Kite) then it would've been bad writing.

And this is a fault of the anime adaptation, cutting out this important piece of character dynamic from the manga.

But Pitou was straight up begging for mercy and Gon mercilessly slaughtered her.

Gon didn't slaughter Pitou while she was begging for mercy. He only killed her after she was going to kill him. This was after she revealed that Kite was dead. Thereby shattering every delusion that Gon had built up to that moment.

I mean, no other character that has bared similar traits to Gon would've done that.

Kid Goku completely lost it against Tambourine after he killed Krillin and flew into an unspeakable rage. But unlike Gon he outright killed Tambourine while he was begging for his life.

My problem though is that Gon doesn't feel the slightest bit of remorse afterwards. This kind of things just doesn't fit the character well at all. Very bothering.

Kid Goku has killed a lot of people, and yet he doesn't feel the slightest bit of remorse about his actions. I'm using examples from Dragon Ball considering it's your favourite franchise. Gon's actions are inline with his character, especially considering repeatedly throughout hunter x Hunter it is stated and shown that Gon doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.

This is at it's most blatant when a character, Zepile who is stated to be good at reading people, thinks Gon to be dangerous because Gon doesn't know this concept.

Okay, here we go. This is what makes this arc bad. The redundant, consistent, never ending--over explaining. It literally felt like the narrator thought we were retards or something. Knock hits Youpi, we see it. The narrator then goes on: "Knock hits Youpi with his blah blah blah." It just explains every little detail that we can see well enough with our own eyes. Is it this bad in the manga? Idk, it's probably not and can be avoided pretty easily even if it was there. However this hurst the manga greatly. I also didn't notice until I had switched to subbed. It's possible that it doesn't exist in dubbed, which would be beneficial. In any case, this hurts the arc so badly and really made it almost unwatchable. I mean, I only kept watching to get through.

I do find it bizarre that you make such a big deal over the narration, claiming that it males the arc bad. Even though it only appears at the literal tail end of the arc. However, I will agree a bit with you on the fact that the narration can sometimes over step it's boundaries, stating the obvious of the story. But it is ultimately necessary for a multitude of reasons. The Palace Invasion takes place in the span of an hour in universe, it deals with over ten characters, without the narration the finial act of the arc would be bloated yet unexplained.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Granted, this isn't necessarily a good thing. If you're expecting a ba fight against Meurem--well that's a mistake. One never happens, him and the Royal Guard's power is way too high and they are hyped too much.

What is wrong with too much hype, what is wrong with antagonists being so powerful? Is it a problem with The Androids being so much more powerful than the main cast? Is it a problem that Freeza's power received so much hype?

I do know how much you highly value typical Shonen fighting, considering you rated the ToP so highly because of how much you liked the fights, despite admitting the writing was crap. But there is value to be found in less orthodox methods of fighting, ones which require skill, ability, and teamwork. Because two of the Royal Guards do in fact battle, Youpi and Pouf, but the fight is based around strategy/skill and everything else I mentioned.


And unlike what you say, Meruem does in fact battle, and he loses too.

 

[Flame]

Granted, this isn't necessarily a good thing. If you're expecting a ba fight against Meurem--well that's a mistake. One never happens, him and the Royal Guard's power is way too high and they are hyped too much.

What is wrong with too much hype, what is wrong with antagonists being so powerful? Is it a problem with The Androids being so much more powerful than the main cast? Is it a problem that Freeza's power received so much hype?

I do know how much you highly value typical Shonen fighting, considering you rated the ToP so highly because of how much you liked the fights, despite admitting the writing was crap. But there is value to be found in less orthodox methods of fighting, ones which require skill, ability, and teamwork. Because two of the Royal Guards do in fact battle, Youpi and Pouf, but the fight is based around strategy/skill and everything else I mentioned.


And unlike what you say, Meruem does in fact battle, and he loses too.

I think you're missing my point. Yes, i said that I appreciated that and how they used different strategy and skill to win. But that's the thing that bothers me, they didn't win. It isn't the same as the Androids and Frieza because they were defeated. Yes, I guess he does technically lose at the end. But the way it is done doesn't sit right with me.

Next?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I think you're missing my point. Yes, i said that I appreciated that and how they used different strategy and skill to win. But that's the thing that bothers me, they didn't win. It isn't the same as the Androids and Frieza because they were defeated. Yes, I guess he does technically lose at the end. But the way it is done doesn't sit right with me.

Next?

But on the same hand why do the protagonists have to win? Youpi didn't kill a single one of them, Youpi, and Shoot all ended up having character development from the fight itself. And Youpi living meant that there was more story to the arc considering he was the one to save Meruem.

Also, I guess you should've been more clearer on this point.

Power is a bit, well, too high. Do we ever see the protagonist characters get a good shot in? Besides Gon and Killua, not really tbh. Smoke guy (can't remember name) did overly well against Pouf but was unable to deal him any kind of defeat. Knock and whoever else was fighting with him failed immensely with fighting against the red guy. They had a lot of cool scenes, yeah, but ultimately they only bought time. They couldn't actually succeed in winning. The Old Man was already at death's doorstep, but his stand against Meurem felt almost idiotic and needless. He had hype and again a lot of background, but in the end proved to be fodder. They were at least lucky enough to have killed Meurem off. Granted, this isn't necessarily a good thing. If you're expecting a ba fight against Meurem--well that's a mistake. One never happens, him and the Royal Guard's power is way too high and they are hyped too much. They became an obstacle that is practically unreachable. This isn't a good thing to me.

From how it was phrased in this post it seemed like you thought there wasn't any fights, instead just stomps.

Now it's only fair that I bring up my reasoning for not liking Yu Yu..

 

[Flame]

I don't see how. Yes, they did a lot. But as I addressed, it was practically all for naught. Such as the battle against Youpi.