Post your 3 year gap numbers

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, he literally said that.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Mecha Freeza: 15

Son Kakarot: 40
Vegeta: 3
Trunks: 40
Piccolo: 3
Son Gohan: 2
Tenshinhan: 1
Krillin: 1
Yamaha:


Post 3 years

Son Kakarot: 80
Vegeta: 80
Trunks: 40/80
Piccolo: 6
Son Gohan: 4
Tenshinhan: 4
Krillin: 4
Yamaha:

 

[SSJ2]

 

[SSJ2]

Doesnt Nail vs suppressed Freeza show us that a 30k power level will most definitely not be of any help? That version of Freeza was fairly suppressed as well, and 42k Nail couldn't damage him with his full power. I dont see where this idea that a 30k level will be of any assistance comes from.

 

[GSM123]

Vegeta considered Krillin useful against Freiza. Vegeta would have considered Krillin useless against Frieza if he was only 30k

Why?

Because whats the point of Vegeta including Krillin and Gohan in the battle if they're so weak? They have to be strong enough to be considered useful by Vegeta otherwise he would have regarded them as fodder and would have taken on Frieza himself. 30k is way too low for krillin.

Does Kuririn really needs to be powerful to do something like this?

Spoiler

Kuririn should at-least be >> 30,000 in my opinion. Zarbon that rivalled an almost 30,000 Vegeta was said to be of no help against Freeza.

As Super Saiyan posted, his literal words are that teaming up with Zarbon wouldn’t amount to anything. That’s pretty natural when they’re both far weaker than Freeza. When he called Kuririn useful, Vegeta himself was already a rival to Freeza and was counting on Gohan as well.

Saying he even got past 30k is a huge stretch. Kuririn flat out says he can never be as strong as any of the Ginyu Tokusentai members.

Doesnt Nail vs suppressed Freeza show us that a 30k power level will most definitely not be of any help? That version of Freeza was fairly suppressed as well, and 42k Nail couldn't damage him with his full power. I dont see where this idea that a 30k level will be of any assistance comes from.

Do you really think Vegeta wanted Kuririn to fight Freeza hand to hand like Nail did?

 

[SSJ2]

Yup. For how much of a titan that Freeza was, surprise attacks, strategy, or anything will fail to work considering how massive his advantage is. Imagine 21st Jackie Chun having to take on Namu, BoDB Goku, and BoDB Krillin. Do you think the trio would win? Powers that far below are completely irrelevant to such a monster.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Why?

Because whats the point of Vegeta including Krillin and Gohan in the battle if they're so weak? They have to be strong enough to be considered useful by Vegeta otherwise he would have regarded them as fodder and would have taken on Frieza himself. 30k is way too low for krillin.

Does Kuririn really needs to be powerful to do something like this?

Spoiler

Kuririn should at-least be >> 30,000 in my opinion. Zarbon that rivalled an almost 30,000 Vegeta was said to be of no help against Freeza.

As Super Saiyan posted, his literal words are that teaming up with Zarbon wouldn’t amount to anything. That’s pretty natural when they’re both far weaker than Freeza. When he called Kuririn useful, Vegeta himself was already a rival to Freeza and was counting on Gohan as well.

Saying he even got past 30k is a huge stretch. Kuririn flat out says he can never be as strong as any of the Ginyu Tokusentai members.

Doesnt Nail vs suppressed Freeza show us that a 30k power level will most definitely not be of any help? That version of Freeza was fairly suppressed as well, and 42k Nail couldn't damage him with his full power. I dont see where this idea that a 30k level will be of any assistance comes from.

Do you really think Vegeta wanted Kuririn to fight Freeza hand to hand like Nail did?

Thats 4th form frieza , Im talking about 1st form bro. If Krillin was 30k then Vegeta would have never suggested even teaming up. You think Krillin is weaker than Nail, who got ass handed to him by a Surpressed 1st form Freiza? Thats baloney. Krillin when he was facing off against 1st Frieza would one shot the Ginyu Force.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think that's looking way too deep into Vegeta's words. AT isn't a very deep writer. Point being teaming-up with Zarbon will amount to jack no matter what but teaming-up with Kuririn can be of some help even against a potential 2nd Form Freeza.

 

[GSM123]

I think that's looking way too deep into Vegeta's words. AT isn't a very deep writer. Point being teaming-up with Zarbon will amount to jack no matter what but teaming-up with Kuririn can be of some help even against a potential 2nd Form Freeza.

No, that’s really basic text comprehension. 30k Vegeta and Zarbon can’t beat 530k Freeza. 500k Vegeta and 25k Kuririn can.

Thats 4th form frieza , Im talking about 1st form bro. If Krillin was 30k then Vegeta would have never suggested even teaming up. You think Krillin is weaker than Nail, who got ass handed to him by a Surpressed 1st form Freiza? Thats baloney. Krillin when he was facing off against 1st Frieza would one shot the Ginyu Force.

If that can be done to 4th form Freeza, why can’t Kuririn do that to 1st form Freeza? He’ll be locked in combat with Vegeta and bam, Kuririn does something that distracts him so Vegeta can land a final blow. Perhaps even fire a Kienzan like he did against the stronger 2nd form Freeza.

No, balooney is saying Kuririn can solo the Ginyu Force when he explicity said he couldn’t and he’s explicitly shown to struggle with Ginyu Goku. There’s absolutely nothing supporting Kuririn being so strong.

Yup. For how much of a titan that Freeza was, surprise attacks, strategy, or anything will fail to work considering how massive his advantage is. Imagine 21st Jackie Chun having to take on Namu, BoDB Goku, and BoDB Krillin. Do you think the trio would win? Powers that far below are completely irrelevant to such a monster.

Surprise attacks and strategy almost made Kuririn solo Freeza

 

[Fantastische Hure]

No need to get snarky, meng. I'm just saying someone who's of no help will not be anymore help just because the other person got stronger. It only works in off-guard cases like Jeice helping Captain-Ginyu.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I think that's looking way too deep into Vegeta's words. AT isn't a very deep writer. Point being teaming-up with Zarbon will amount to jack no matter what but teaming-up with Kuririn can be of some help even against a potential 2nd Form Freeza.

No, that’s really basic text comprehension. 30k Vegeta and Zarbon can’t beat 530k Freeza. 500k Vegeta and 25k Kuririn can.

Thats 4th form frieza , Im talking about 1st form bro. If Krillin was 30k then Vegeta would have never suggested even teaming up. You think Krillin is weaker than Nail, who got ass handed to him by a Surpressed 1st form Freiza? Thats baloney. Krillin when he was facing off against 1st Frieza would one shot the Ginyu Force.

If that can be done to 4th form Freeza, why can’t Kuririn do that to 1st form Freeza? He’ll be locked in combat with Vegeta and bam, Kuririn does something that distracts him so Vegeta can land a final blow. Perhaps even fire a Kienzan like he did against the stronger 2nd form Freeza.

No, balooney is saying Kuririn can solo the Ginyu Force when he explicity said he couldn’t and he’s explicitly shown to struggle with Ginyu Goku. There’s absolutely nothing supporting Kuririn being so strong.

Yup. For how much of a titan that Freeza was, surprise attacks, strategy, or anything will fail to work considering how massive his advantage is. Imagine 21st Jackie Chun having to take on Namu, BoDB Goku, and BoDB Krillin. Do you think the trio would win? Powers that far below are completely irrelevant to such a monster.

Surprise attacks and strategy almost made Kuririn solo Freeza

So Krillin was suddenly capped at 30k despite Vegeta claiming their powerlevels were growing? Quit nerfing the humans man. Someone with 30k is uselsss against someone like 1st form frieza. Krillin is strong because Vegeta states hes useful against first form frieza. Vegeta states that Krillin and Gohan along with him can take on 1st form frieza. Not "hey baldy and half breed distract Frieza so I can land a finishing blow"

 

[SSJ2]

Also I don’t see where it was implied that Gohan became 10x stronger than Krillin all of a sudden despite both of their battle powers steadily rising.

 

[GSM123]

No need to get snarky, meng. I'm just saying someone who's of no help will not be anymore help just because the other person got stronger. It only works in off-guard cases like Jeice helping Captain-Ginyu.

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be snarky

But wouldn’t you agree Kuririn would be taking on a off guard Freeza here? Just imagine if he blasted or fired a Kienzan at Freeza when he was grappling with Vegeta there. Would’ve been very helpful, wouldn’t it?

[mention]UltimateGohkan[/mention] guess thinks comes full circle here. Remember in page one when I showed the original statement? Vegeta says it’s a steady growth. There’s nothing steady about getting 10x stronger in minutes. Your own logic has betrayed you here.

[mention]Supreme[/mention] Actually, given how Vegeta uses the word steady to describe both’s power growths, I suspect Gohan might not be above Ginyu until his rage and zenkai from facing 2nd form Freeza.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Could be but then other than a Kienzan what could he really do? Vegeta caught 2nd Form Freeza off-guard and nothing happened. He could easily be one-shotted. I think relying on one technique just makes no sense. Vegeta also commented on their power and Gohan reaffirmed it by saying they got stronger too.

 

[ahill]

That's like stating Piccolo didn't surpass Semi Cell because he stated he couldn't before. We don't dismiss later implications for the sake of a statement made earlier that can be explained in other ways.

 

[GSM123]

Could be but then other than a Kienzan what could he really do? Vegeta caught 2nd Form Freeza off-guard and nothing happened. He could easily be one-shotted. I think relying on one technique just makes no sense. Vegeta also commented on their power and Gohan reaffirmed it by saying they got stronger too.

It’s not about “One technique”, it’s about distraction. Jeice helped Ginyu with an off guard attack, and both Piccolo and Kid Trunks send Freeza and Majin Boo flying yards away with off guard attacks. Hell, Kuririn with little energy left managed to help against 50% Freeza by distracting him.

Freeza had to be aware of Vegeta’s presence in order to tank him. Everytime we saw a character being taken off guard he was send flying sans this specific case.

[mention]ahill1[/mention] yeah. Both consist of not ignoring clear statement for the sake of ambiguous statements.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

No need to get snarky, meng. I'm just saying someone who's of no help will not be anymore help just because the other person got stronger. It only works in off-guard cases like Jeice helping Captain-Ginyu.

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be snarky

But wouldn’t you agree Kuririn would be taking on a off guard Freeza here? Just imagine if he blasted or fired a Kienzan at Freeza when he was grappling with Vegeta there. Would’ve been very helpful, wouldn’t it?

@UltimateGohkan guess thinks comes full circle here. Remember in page one when I showed the original statement? Vegeta says it’s a steady growth. There’s nothing steady about getting 10x stronger in minutes. Your own logic has betrayed you here.

@Supreme Actually, given how Vegeta uses the word steady to describe both’s power growths, I suspect Gohan might not be above Ginyu until his rage and zenkai from facing 2nd form Freeza.

When did I ever say that Krillin got 10x in mere minutes? I didnt.Thinking Krillin capped at 30k even at Androids saga is retarded. Whats the point of him training when hes not even improving in the slightest? They didnt cap out 30k since they it was stated multiple times they they were keep getting stronger.

and gohan later confirms him

So let ask you this, how the hell would 30k Krillin and Gohan be even helpful in a fight with 30k powerlevels when a guy with 42k got beaten up like this

 

[Fantastische Hure]

And Freeza would be aware of Kuririn's presence in this situation, right?! After-all Vegeta points it out and Freeza says 3 ants can't take-on a dinosaur.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

And Freeza would be aware of Kuririn's presence in this situation, right?! After-all Vegeta points it out and Freeza says 3 ants can't take-on a dinosaur.

Frieza can't sense ki while Vegeta can so Vegeta is much reliable for infomation.

 

[ahill]

We saw how Freeza tanked Vegeta's attack while being aware of Vegeta's presence. Then Freeza being aware that Kuririn and Gohan will be partaking in the battle, I see no reason to think off guards attacks would matter that much.