Prime Rayleigh

[SSJ2]

Do you think that he would be Yonko tier on his own? If not, could he take down the current Admirals individually?

 

[Yoshi]

Definitely. He was first mate of Roger after all, the strongest Pirate ever along with Whitebeard.

 

[Itachi]

He rivaled Roger in his prime. So yeah, definitely.

 

[SSJ2]

Damn, that's crazy. The ruler of the seas and someone > Yonko tier on one boat. And who knows who else they had.

 

[Papasmurf]

Probably stronger than Marineford Whitebeard imo.

 

[SSJ2]

I want to know more of his abilities. Like how could one beat Marineford Whitebeard with just a sword? He must have more up his sleeve.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well, we know he doesn't have a Devil Fruit, so I'm imagining he's like two-armed Shanks, but a notch higher in every way.

 

[SSJ2]

Whitebeard didn't seem to use his DF ability against Shanks. I want to know how the fuck you could defend yourself against the Gura Gura no mi.

 

[SSJ2]

I guess Haki actually, as the admirals did in Marineford. But that still took 3 admirals to stop him.

 

[Papasmurf]

Most people at top tier can take a few strikes from that without being KO'd. Since Whitebeard used to rival Gol D. but has fallen significantly below his prime due to old age and sickness, Roger's first mate at his prime would likely need to be at least at that level or he's too far below his captain.

 

[SSJ2]

Do you think Akainu is > MF Whitebeard?

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think so. They only fought after Whitebeard already got stabbed through the chest and he still needed help to do as much as he did. But I also think Roger was far, far stronger than Akainu before he became sick.

 

[Itachi]

I think it's possible that Rayleigh is even stronger than Roger. If he was stronger than him he wouldn't flaunt it around because he was his mentor.

 

[SSJ2]

I think it's possible that Rayleigh is even stronger than Roger. If he was stronger than him he wouldn't flaunt it around because he was his mentor.

Eh. Everyone seems to remember Roger instead of Rayleigh though.

 

[SSJ2]

Not to mention, MF Whitebeard was still ahead of Akainu, the strongest Admiral. Old Rayleigh is only about on par with Kizaru who is weaker than Akainu. That gap probably remained 20 years back, and Roger was still stronger than Whitebeard.

 

[Itachi]

Old Rayleigh was fighting both Kuma and Kizaru

 

[SSJ2]

What. When was Kuma there?

 

[Itachi]

maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I think he at least said he'd be able to take both of them on in his prime

 

[SSJ2]

Either way, what is Kuma to them? I don't think too much of the Shichibukai unless it is Mihawk.

 

[Itachi]

Kuma's strength is relatively unknown. Pacifista are way weaker than the original. I imagine he would at least be Dofla tier though.