Questions

[p123]

How do you justify

Super Saiyan 3 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan

I don't get it?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku and Vegeta are simply way stronger than their Boo Arc selves at the start of Super. Not sure what's not to get about that considering this is from both :toei and modern Toriyama who'd probably have no clue if asked about Boo Arc powerscaling.

 

[Papasmurf]

Boo arc 17 should've raped Gohan. 2

 

[p123]

So how is it explained? Is Kid Buu > Buuhan as well?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Never confirmed, though considering Super seems to go by the Kai anime's continuity, I wouldn't doubt that being the case. Either that, or Goku and Vegeta just made huge training gains.

Manga-wise, Goku/Vegeta > Gohan is never established so you could argue that to not be the case there, though Goku still made enough of an increase his SSJ form was arguably as strong as Pure Boo.

It's nowhere near as ridiculous as Piccolo going from his Boo Arc power to being above the post-God Base Saiyans in a few days, at least.

 

[Papasmurf]

Didn't Piccolo have a few months to train between FnF and U6, not that that isn't completely ridiculous?

 

[Pyro]

That's not the case in the anime or manga. Super (the anime I'm assuming we're using here) isn't specific enough with its statements to solidly back this stance enough to go against the original manga's POV.

 

[p123]

Doesn't Goten plainly say that Goku is the strongest in the world in the first chapter?

Damn, Piccolo gets powered up that far? Wowza...

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan also went from his Boo arc power to around Completed Blue tier from a few hours too.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Didn't Piccolo have a few months to train between FnF and U6, not that that isn't completely ridiculous?

Manga-wise, yeah though anime-wise he was still barely above Base Soyhan.

Doesn't Goten plainly say that Goku is the strongest in the world in the first chapter?

The opinion of a kid talking about his dad is always a biased one, so the validity of the statement is very questionable.

 

[p123]

Damn man. But he also weakened so much he couldn't beat Freeza's soldiers too right?

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan couldn't even use his Ultimate state in the Garbage Freeza arc. He was still stronger than Piccolo in base though.

 

[p123]

Is Ultimate considered a form now? So Base Gohan > Piccolo, meaning Base Saiyans > Freeza?

 

[Papasmurf]

In the manga, it just seems to replace the SSJ/2 form as a powered up base form. In the anime it seems to be a transformation, although Gohan hasn't gone SSJ/2 since he regained Ultimate so it could be him going full power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It has always been a thing in the Anime. Goku goes toe to toe with Pure Boo while calling him the strongest Boo. The Anime just follow this line of thought.

In the manga, it ain't a thing. Everybody is probably the same level as their Boo Arc selves.

Is Ultimate considered a form now? So Base Gohan > Piccolo, meaning Base Saiyans > Freeza?

Yeah. He also goes toe to toe with Piccolo in a sparring section a few episodes later.

 

[p123]

Well that's good to hear about the manga then.

 

[p123]

Does Trunks defeating Dabura suggest that a Super Saiyan can defeat him? Or did Trunks use his Grade2/psuedo SSJ2 power?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

P are you thinking about starting do deal with DB Super stuff? Never seen you posting around the Super section in any forum.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does Trunks defeating Dabura suggest that a Super Saiyan can defeat him? Or did Trunks use his Grade2/psuedo SSJ2 power?

Pretty sure he was a SSJ2 there, no?

 

[p123]

Yeah, just reading some of it now. This is some crazy stuff.

Switching from red to blue for Vegeta and Goku learning complete SSJ Blue lol. And somehow Trunks holding his own even though the power disparity is so great. This definitely does not feel like DBZ, it feels like a fan manga with DBZ characters. But it is what it is.