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That and Monaka literally shitting on Gas.
Gotta say, it was better than last month’s.
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Frieza fell unconscious after Android #17 exploded in the Manga?
I mean when I was finishing Chapter 40 of the Manga.
Golden Frieza and Android #17 plan a strategy against Jiren. Golden Frieza stays on one of those loose pieces of the Platform. Android #17 explodes and we don't see Frieza again until Chapter 42 and in his Final Form.
Does it mean Frieza was temporarily unconscious? If so, Frieza didn't know Jiren's full power, UI Sign and UI Goku states.
I mean when I was finishing Chapter 40 of the Manga.
Golden Frieza and Android #17 plan a strategy against Jiren. Golden Frieza stays on one of those loose pieces of the Platform. Android #17 explodes and we don't see Frieza again until Chapter 42 and in his Final Form.
Does it mean Frieza was temporarily unconscious? If so, Frieza didn't know Jiren's full power, UI Sign and UI Goku states.
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I was thinking that if Freeza saw the match between Jiren (Beyond Limits) vs UI Goku, it wouldn't make sense that Broly SSJ wasn't superior to these 2.
What I am seeing as an option is not to have too big an amplifier from the SSJFP. In the quote we saw from @GreatSaiyaman123 is that Gogeta SSJB after beating up Broly SSJFP, made Gogeta return to his SSJ Form. Something similar to what happened between Goku vs Future Zamasu in the Manga. Perhaps Gogeta SSJ3 could finish off Broly SSJFP.
What do you think?
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Why was he so fatigued by the end though? Him choosing to knock himself off, even though the Z Senshi had him outnumbered 3 to 1 suggests his Golden Form was still no match for an extremely tired Jiren even with #17 around.
On that note, I am going with #17 just being SSJ3 Goku tier now. Seems pointless for Freeza to triple-KO himself with Goku and Jiren if #17 (who can't lose stamina) would be stronger than Jiren who's struggling with two base Saiyans. We could just chalk this up to #17 and Freeza being unable to sense Ki but I'd rather go with a more logical option of Galu, #17 and Freeza not all being idiots because if either Golden Faggot or #17 could defeat a severely fatigued Jiren on their own, the final strategy of theirs would be idiotic.
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The whole next chapter is dedicated to more Bardock vs Gas, who's now in his previously seen Berserk form. The Bardock wank is getting out of hand.
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Honestly it sounds more like Past Gas was just piss weak. I see no reason for that kid to even surpass Saiyan Saga Vegeta before the wish.
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I am starting to think the same thing. Goku's statement post-ToP seemed to be more of a catch on, general statement of like "He's gotten to the level of some of us" since in terms of power he is squarely in the middle of the U7 fighters, stronger than (Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, 18) but weaker than (Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza).
I will have to reread the Moro arc but if he performs similar feats to 18, than he definitely isn't PSSJB tier..... people actually believe 18 just magically gets to Blue tier after struggling with Ribranne in the ToP
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In the Moro Arc, 17 and 18 basically double team Moro, but to little avail. 17 is treated the same as the rest of the B-Team. You'd think he'd be given a little more of a showing since he just came off winning the ToP, but not really.
As for him being SSJ3 Goku tier, I'd generally agree with this as well. Although if 17 managed to get that much of a hax, him being at SSJB level doesn't make much of a difference to me, because the absurdity of it maxed out long before.
As for him being SSJ3 Goku tier, I'd generally agree with this as well. Although if 17 managed to get that much of a hax, him being at SSJB level doesn't make much of a difference to me, because the absurdity of it maxed out long before.
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Yeah Blue and God being anything near something special died down after Freeza, Hit, Gohan, and god knows who else caught up to Blue without Angel/GoD training and two faggots who'd have gotten stomped by Zamasu surpassed MUI tier by wishing on a piddly Dragon. But I'd support the idea of #17 being 3 tier rather than Completed Blue tier simply because Dyspo was treated like a bug by Blue Vegeta and Goku and #17, despite not needing to worry about conserving stamina, couldn't defeat him quickly. Dyspo being someone who'd give SSJ2 a lot of trouble and would be at a disadvantage against SSJ3 makes perfect sense.
The only real problem in assuming God forms were out of the equation when Goku made that statement about #17 having nearly caught up to him is that Vegeta was included in the statement as well, and Vegeta has no SSJ3 equivalent - he is equal to Goku in all forms except SSJ2, which is between 3 and God tier through copying and improving Trunks' Full Power SSJ2 form or some such nonsense.
The only real problem in assuming God forms were out of the equation when Goku made that statement about #17 having nearly caught up to him is that Vegeta was included in the statement as well, and Vegeta has no SSJ3 equivalent - he is equal to Goku in all forms except SSJ2, which is between 3 and God tier through copying and improving Trunks' Full Power SSJ2 form or some such nonsense.
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Would you say that Vegeta's powered up SSJ2 could serve as the equivalent of SSJ3 here?
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It's clearly significantly stronger than SSJ3 post-BoG/FnF Galu. SSJ Black > base Black >> SSJ3 Goku >= FPSSJ2 Trunks, and Vegeta had a small edge against a transformed Black until he powered up twice through Zenkais.
