Reconsidering my stance on the humans.

[SSJ2]

For no real reason but to be controversial, I'm thinking of bring back my beliefs on the humans from late 2012. KP is the one who convinced me to change in the first place, well, he really is responsible for everyone changing their views imo. Based on some of the occurrences in the Android arc, I will raise them to at least 10 figures, whatever numbers they may be. To allow the Base Saiyans to stay stronger, I'll change the SSJ multiplier to either 5x or 10x, whichever is necessary.

Any objections?

 

[Yoshi]

No.

 

[Six Trails]

I personally don't like the multiplier changing for no reason. I'd prefer it to change after mastering Super Saiyan or something. But it's personal preference.

For the topic, I have them all stronger Base Namek Goku, but that's about it. I'd personally prefer Krillin to be enough below Base Gohan that the latter could easily kick the former's ass. Yamcha and Tenshinhan would also obviously be well below Krillin.

 

[SSJ2]

Base Gohan is a tricky situation. He was the guy who was always running errands while the men were fighting early on in the arc. Is that a power implication, or just Goku and co not wanting him to get involved. Aside from training with Goku/Piccolo, he has nothing going for him.

And the multiplier doesn't really change for no reason. Gero heavily implies that Gohan, suppressed Piccolo, and the humans will give him the energy to beat SSJ Vegeta.

 

[Southern Gothic]

*coughcough* Yamucha Fukkatsu no F *coughcough*

 

[Six Trails]

Generally somewhere between Base Yardrat Goku and Base Android saga Goku is where I place him. It seems appropriate.

I'm aware of the implications, I just mean in-universe how would you explain the gap between Base and SS changing?

 

[SSJ2]

The new movies don't change my opinions on anything. I don't use them for canon stuff to be honest.

 

[SSJ2]

Generally somewhere between Base Yardrat Goku and Base Android saga Goku is where I place him. It seems appropriate.

I'm aware of the implications, I just mean in-universe how would you explain the gap between Base and SS changing?

There is no in universe answer. I have always been one to make my numbers around the plot, and not force things. People like Kaboom for example cling to their Daizenshuu entries, so their power level lists don't form around the plot.

 

[Southern Gothic]

The new movies don't change my opinions on anything. I don't use them for canon stuff to be honest.

In all seriousness, can you homies clarify this whole thing, since I am technically a noob on the forums??

Did the humans use to be considered much higher???

And then get nerfed by the community as time went on??

 

[Six Trails]

Generally somewhere between Base Yardrat Goku and Base Android saga Goku is where I place him. It seems appropriate.

I'm aware of the implications, I just mean in-universe how would you explain the gap between Base and SS changing?

There is no in universe answer. I have always been one to make my numbers around the plot, and not force things. People like Kaboom for example cling to their Daizenshuu entries, so their power level lists don't form around the plot.

I suppose that's valid enough reasoning.

I suppose I cling to 50x because of #18 and the base kids, but I've seen some make valid points to justify them being well above her.

How does 4x sound for a multiplier?

 

[SSJ2]

The new movies don't change my opinions on anything. I don't use them for canon stuff to be honest.

In all seriousness, can you homies clarify this whole thing, since I am technically a noob on the forums??

Did the humans use to be considered much higher???

And then get nerfed by the community as time went on??

This is from before my time, but check out one of KP's really old lists.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1010358

This was pretty standard back in the day. Then KP brought forth the idea that the humans have absolutely nothing going for them, and do nothing to prove their power levels should be that high, and people jumped on board. Early 2013 is when things started changing to what we see now.

 

[SSJ2]

Generally somewhere between Base Yardrat Goku and Base Android saga Goku is where I place him. It seems appropriate.

I'm aware of the implications, I just mean in-universe how would you explain the gap between Base and SS changing?

There is no in universe answer. I have always been one to make my numbers around the plot, and not force things. People like Kaboom for example cling to their Daizenshuu entries, so their power level lists don't form around the plot.

I suppose that's valid enough reasoning.

I suppose I cling to 50x because of #18 and the base kids, but I've seen some make valid points to justify them being well above her.

How does 4x sound for a multiplier?

I actually quite like a 4x multiplier, as it's what I use for my fusions. Although if the SSJ multiplier was 4x, I'd suppose it would have to be even smaller for fusions.

Eh, the kids and 18 has always been tough to sort out numerically. I view the kids as being well above her, but probably no more than 1.5x.

 

[Six Trails]

I prefer fusions to have the same multiplier as unfused Saiyans personally. The only people I see having various boosts are GT and maybe EoZ if I decide to link the two.

 

[SSJ2]

I prefer fusions to have the same multiplier as unfused Saiyans personally. The only people I see having various boosts are GT and maybe EoZ if I decide to link the two.

I will be the first to admit that I'm not very good at complete power level lists. I have to manipulate multipliers often to fit my views, as they don't all seamlessly fit together. This is why I've always respected Kyo, as his lists have like no flawas, and he manages to keep everything so consistent.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Hmmmm...

Ten: 10, million

Krillin: 12 million

I got no issue with it. Doesn't contradict anything.

Although didn't Yamucha admit he didn't train a whole lot? Maybe he should be further back.

Sorry Yamucha.

 

[SSJ2]

Looks like I misread. That list was a poor example. Most people thought they were at least around 50% Freeza level by the Boo arc.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Looks like I misread. That list was a poor example. Most people thought they were at least around 50% Freeza level by the Boo arc.

Is that all three of them or just Ten and Krilly?

 

[SSJ2]

Looks like I misread. That list was a poor example. Most people thought they were at least around 50% Freeza level by the Boo arc.

Is that all three of them or just Ten and Krilly?

All, but Yamcha was always lagging behind.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408085/1/

 

[Six Trails]

There's also this:

Tenshinhan: 350,000,000
~ [Shin Kikoho]: 35,000,000,000

Tenshinhan apparently became 35x stronger between Cell and Boo.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Looks like I misread. That list was a poor example. Most people thought they were at least around 50% Freeza level by the Boo arc.

Is that all three of them or just Ten and Krilly?

All, but Yamcha was always lagging behind.

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408085/1/

I can't say I get behind that. But my head has too much filler and not enough manga. So I may be missing key pieces of information. Tenshinhan at 100 million makes me unhappy there, although I can meet at Krillin being 85 million.

Just my initial reaction.