Rewriting Buu+Super Arcs

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Alright, here's some of my ideas of how to make both the Buu Saga and Super way better now that we can have a clear look at it...

1) First off, before we get into Buu, Cooler's Revenge absolutely should have been canon and should have come while they were around 6 months training for the Androids. Some changes would have to be made of course, but it should have happened imo...

2) Ok, Buu Saga stuff, Gohan needs to be a Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura.

3) We need a good reason for Supreme Kai to be so scared in the ship. Perhaps Dabura could be out there witnessing the fights personally or something and threaten Kaioshin should he interfere Dabura would get involved. I don't know how to go about it, but it has to be done. Supreme Kai is way stronger than Piccolo and should be somewhere on Super Saiyan level now that we've made Gohan a Super Saiyan 2.

4) Stupid Gotenks. He should have never received Super Saiyan 3 or have gone in the ROSAT. We need to make Super Saiyan Gotenks super strong, 2x as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

5) Super Buu would be 2x as strong as Goku and Gohan is 3x as strong as Goku. With Gohan and Gotenks never being used in Super, there's no real reason to make them so much more advanced that Goku, just not necessary.

6) Now onto Super. Goku and Vegeta have gotten a bit stronger, but they still are significantly behind Gotenks. Oh yeah, Vegeta has Super Saiyan 3 of course as well. No Rageta here. Fights play out the same except Gohan and Gotenks are given more respect. Super Saiyan Gotenks that is. We need Gohan and Gotenks to be given some respect for one last time right before we pretty much remove them from the story.

7) Super Saiyan God is an awesome concept although it's a bit funky. We need the qualifications to be a little stricter, we want to remove Gohan and the boys from this level. I think a Super Saiyan God has to be 6 Saiyans giving their power to a True Saiyan who lives and dies for battle. Something of that nature. To separate the true fighters from the haxxed kids.

8) Beerus is bad ass. But we don't want to retcon so much shit... Let's remove the knowledge of all of these guys about Beerus. Except for perhaps the Old Kai. Beerus has been sleeping for 75 million years or some shit. I would have to see the times, but I would want him to be long forgotten if possible. King Kai doesn't even know of Supreme Kai, he shouldn't know of Beerus. I don't know if this works with the timeline. Kaioshin has been around a long time. Buu's been around a long time. But I don't want Beerus suddenly responsible for every single thing that's occurred in the series now. I don't think I want Vegeta or Freeza to have knowledge of him. Maybe, maybe not. I have to see how it effects things.

9) I think something of Beerus' origin can be different. I don't know yet. Perhaps he comes from another universe? I don't know. It seems a bit weird having him out there this whole time, but perhaps sleeping is our best answer. I have to think more about that. I do like the idea of the Gods of Destruction for every universe, but they aren't really all that cool. Having them so intertwined with the Kaioshins might rub me wrong too. It gives them all too much knowledge I feel. I have to think that through more.

10) I don't know if I like Whis being stronger than Beerus. Especially considering that they are just assistants. It just sucks the life out of everything. I don't like the Angels being so strong and being so powerful with so many abilities. It destroys all suspense.

11) I want one Zeno and we have to make him look cooler I think...He should look like a bad ass. We finally have an all powerful being in Dragonball and it's a kid. It's silly. Super turns more into a kids' cartoon, but I'd like to get it a bit more serious again.

12) U6 vs U7 fight was a disaster. I like Champa. I think since the universes are parallel we can have a lot of ideas of DBM inserted here. I think you absolutely have to have to have TO have Vegetto here in U6. You gotta have him. We need to see Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto in all of his glory. We need to showcase Vegetto's power like we have never done before. And we need to portray him as an absolute badass. Also, we need to showcase how truly powerful Super Saiyan God is. To show why it was suggested to be way beyond Vegetto's full capabilities. We have to really highlight this to be a tremendous, epic battle. Vegetto for the first time in his life feels fear. Doesn't understand how one portion of himself is capable of being so powerful. Goku taunts him to go all out. Vegetto laughs him off and says he has no chance. Goku warns him one time and tells him this is Super Saiyan GODDDD! and explodes into his form. Vegetto panics that he can't sense anything. And Vegetto goes Super Saiyan 3, in an epic transformation runs over and hits Goku with everything he has and Goku tanks him like we've never seen before. One shots him like a badass. Damn, I want to see this shit so bad now haha..

13) Oh yeah, we are keeping Super Saiyan God. Not friggen Super Saiyan Blue. That thing is stupid. Super Saiyan God is the one and only transformation we will be using as far as I can see. There's no reason to make this any more ridiculous than it already is.

14) Vegeta gets Super Saiyan God via the ritual as promised.

15) Still more fighters need to be added to U6. Vegetto is a must, so we can't use Buu or anyone associated with him. Perhaps, we can make the greatest fighters of all time and not just the present? Perhaps we can go back in time and get the best of the best. This could end up being a Super awesome tournament.

16) Golden Freeza is terrible. Everything about it is terrible. His resurrection. We have to rewrite this. Perhaps in another timeline we can come up with a Freeza who trained his whole life in search of power. A Freeza who trained his entire life, perhaps got the Old Kai power up or something along those lines if we must bring Freeza back. I must admit, it is pretty cool to have him back and have him back in glorious fashion.

17) The Gods of Destruction need to be taken way more seriously, a lot of them are laughable to look at. Also, they should be treated more like Galactus type beings.

18) Zeno should be a Beyonder type of character...
 

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1. I have written two fanfics with Coola. The first is my canonized 'Cooler Revenge' and the second is its sequel, my canonized 'Cooler Returns'. I think
you'd approve of my ideas...

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11562797/1/My-canonized-versions-of-movies-Coola-s-Revenge

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11562834/1/My-canonized-versions-of-movies-Coola-Returns

2. I think my 'Pseudo SSJ2' theory is better.

3. How about East Kaioshin being young and not having faith in his abilities?

4. How about we just take out the scenes with pre ROSAT Gotenks? Gotenks could have been formed in ROSAT for the first time and nothing would have changed in the plot.

6. This is exactly what I did in my DBS rewriting fanfic.

8. In my fanfic, Beerus sleeps as long as a normal human, but he hasn't descended in the mortal realm for 10 thousand years and even Kaioshins are not sure whether he's existent or just a legend.

10. Originally, I intended to make Whiss a weakling, but my story played out better with angels stronger than Haikashins. Besides, Whiss may be an annoying homo but Vados is an awesome chick and I want her to be top dog.

11. In m fic, Zeno has the same physical appearance but his demeanor is anything but that of an amoral kid.

12. This idea is better for Slagir's Multiverse. But I never liked the idea of Beerus/SSJ God being stronger than Vegetto. The potara are gone anyway, so the plot can be interesting without them surpassing Vegetto.

16. Cell should be the one revived. It would make a better saga. In my fic, when I finally write TOP Saga (SPOILER ALERT) I will revive Cell instead of Freeza.
 

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Agree with the Z stuffs now onto the Super stuffs.

6. Vegeta doesn't need to have a SSjin3 IMO since it at least makes him different than Goku. I like how SS3 has been abandoned and is replaced by SSG since there are too many transformations and SS3 having a stamina issue is a good way of abandoning it.

7. Absolutely agree with SSG thing. It should be the pinnacle of Saiyans power which should be excluded from the half Saiyans and honestly I like the way where only Goku and Vegeta can use this transformation and Gohan going on other way.

9. Beerus existence should be a surprise and none other than Old Kaioshin should know about this. Shin and Freeza knowinh about Beerus kinda kill any suspense IMO.

10. Whis being stronger than Beerus kinda makes sense to me since he's irreplaceable and Beerus teacher so kinda makes sense to me. Also him being neutral in the series also helps IMO. The way his existence is linked to Beerus and Kaioshin is a good way to eliminate him in the future Trunks timeline which makes the arc great IMO.

11. Zeno shouldn't be needed and just make the Grand Priest the omnipotent of the series.

12. U6/U7 was a joke in the first place and there was no tension to begin with other than the Earth being relocate to another universe which is OK for Goku and others but not Beerus. I guess it was just a good filler arc but they should make the characters even more formidable like Hit who they did right. The arc could better but I'm not really fussed about it.

And no. I'm not a fan of parallel universe where we can see other alternative universe similar to DBM since it just makes the U7 just another DB verse from fans perspective so I'm down for that. I like the idea where the Saiyans from U6 evolved in a different way compared to their U7 counterpart except their design should've been better than what we got.
 

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1) Interesting take on Cooler vs Goku. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I will get back to you later on it. I kind of like how Cooler's Revenge plays out after Goku returns from Yardrat. The Kaioken stuff couldn't have happened, but I don't know. I don't think I can make Cooler's henchmen all that powerful though, I'd probably place them in between the Ginyu Force and Captain Ginyu, since Ginyu is stated to be the strongest. They have no one to fight though since everyone has greatly evolved past that level.

2) I think Vegeta not having Super Saiyan 3 is a mockery. Vegeta deserves Super Saiyan 3, he should have it. Regardless of however he accomplishes it or that it doesn't even need to really go in depth about it. I'm deadset on him having it. If he can attain God power on his own with regular training, why the hell can he not get Super Saiyan 3. I don't want this Rageta stuff going on though. I would showcase Vegeta first with Super Saiyan 3, he gets smacked down. Then Gotenks comes and finally the don Ultimate Gohan gets his time. All of these fights need to be more drawn out and done with more respect for the characters. I don't think I'd make the goof for all of the food like that, I'd like to see if more individually. Vegeta having his epic Super Saiyan 3 transformation, perhaps a Final Flash to boot after being informed of Goku's defeat. But that's just me...

3) Eh I don't know. He can't be young and have knowledge of Buu.

4) I don't want Gotenks touching the ROSAT imo.

6) Cool

8.) Interesting, we need to play with these ideas of how to incorporate Beerus into this world properly.

10) How does that help the story though? It just provides a safety net imo

11) I don't know, I think Zeno should be pretty bad ass man. Like, at least Lord Beerus level of badass. But I don't know if I want him so involved. I don't know if I like the power structure of it all. I have to think more of it. It all seems a little too organized. I kind of like the Beyonder Secret Wars idea, where an amoral omnipotent being wants to be entertained and wants to do a super tournament. His tournament ends up wreaking havoc on all of reality and we get some cool shit going down...

12) I don't agree. This is typical Akira Toriyama style. This is his idea. This is the last don playing jobber to the new dons. Super Saiyan God outstripping Vegetto is exactly DBZ style. This makes fusion irrelevant and Goku and Vegeta being gods makes fusion unnecessary.

16) Should we even revive anyone at all?

Baby from GT is better than Goku Black imo... I liked the idea of Baby, that was a pretty damn good Arc imo...
 

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@Great Fearless

I agree. Imagine how cool it would have been to watch Freeza get blown the fuck out by Beerus in tremendous fashion? That would have been super cool. Freeza defeating Goku and Vegeta and freaking Beerus coming in and exterminating him like a don.

That's interesting using Grand Priest as the ruler...

Maybe use Super Saiyan 4 in U7?
 

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A good opportunity for Toei and the Co to make a different SSjin forms for U6 Saiyans so they can sell a shit load of merchandise. SSjin4 for U6 Saiyans sounds neat. :alex
 

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Yeah, if you are going to do it, a brand new Oozaru type of power up would probably be best... It's a more realistic idea than Super Saiyan God as well.

Perhaps you can have a trained Freeza here as well? I don't know. There's so many options. And they blew it so bad man. It could have been so much better.
 

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How about Frieza being sent to Makaioshin realm because he's too evil enough to be there. After all, that realm is remain to be explore and Frieza being there would be a good way to start. :rape
 

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I really think withheld is probably right. I don't know if Freeza should be brought back... Who else would be a cool fighter for U6? Should we have the strongest in all of history? Why isn't Trunks future timeline U6?
 

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So Beerus, Champa and everyone are stuck in this timeline for these universes. So it's not like you can jump timeline to timeline to present different people?
 

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10) How does that help the story though? It just provides a safety net imo

11) I don't know, I think Zeno should be pretty bad ass man. Like, at least Lord Beerus level of badass. But I don't know if I want him so involved. I don't know if I like the power structure of it all. I have to think more of it. It all seems a little too organized. I kind of like the Beyonder Secret Wars idea, where an amoral omnipotent being wants to be entertained and wants to do a super tournament. His tournament ends up wreaking havoc on all of reality and we get some cool shit going down...

10. In my fic (HUGE SPOILER ALERT), Goku defeats Beerus and is about to kill him. Whiss steps in to save him and badly damages Goku, thus rendering him quadriplegic. Not even senzu beans can restore his shattered into tiny pieces spine. Dragonballs were destroyed by Beerus earlier because Shenron could not help them with Super Saiyan God, which made Beerus angry. So Goku remains disabled for a long time, which causes him to become bitter and face inner dilemmas, a story that comes full circle at the end of Black Saga (my version of Black Goku Saga). As you see, angels being stronger is the corner stone of my story.

11. I didn't like Zeno's amorality at all. In my story, he's something closer to biblical god, a creature above universes and timelines (so no '2 Zenos' bullshit) with high moral values.
 

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So I think I'll have Super Saiyan God Vegeta vs Super Vegetto. But I don't know, that seems to be Goku's place, but I want Vegeta to have his moments too. Goku just had his moment vs Beerus. So I think it's Vegeta's turn...
 

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