Roshi's Power

[p123]

Alright, let's take a look at Roshi's power.

1) Ox King bows down to him.

2) 21st Budokai

Goku=Jackie Chun (Full Power)>>Jackie Chun (Initial) ~ Krillen (Full Power) >Krillen (Holding Back) >= Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist > Yamcha

3) 22nd Budokai he is around one of Tien / Goku's higher suppressed levels.

4) His maximum power as a youngster is probably capable of winning the 22nd Budokai rather easily.

5) Nothing suggests Roshi powered up any further from the 22nd Budokai, if anything, he returned to his inactive lifestyle now that peace has been achieved on Earth. By the time Raditz comes around, it's quite possible that it's been a full 8 years since Roshi has trained. Considering he is much older than Teen Gohan was, it seems likely Roshi has lost even more power than Gohan did.

6) 23rd Budokai Roshi is a fucking ant compared to Krillen, Tien, Yamcha who are all nearing Piccolo Daimao's level or surpassing it.

7) Raditz Saga Roshi is probably falling to somewhere around 22nd King Chappa levels or so. At best.

8.) A good reasonable number for the difference between the infamous scouter scenes should be a difference of 10x at least imo. A good ballpark number puts Krillen 10x higher than Roshi.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

According to my system, Roshi's PL is 13.9 and misread by Bulma 139. This provides enough room for the gaps, if you also
accept Old Piccolo was only talking about effort when he made the ''less than half'' statement.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea, can't find anything to disagree with in your post, P. Good breakdown.

 

[Pyro]

How big of a gap do you think has been born between 23rd TB Roshi and the others at the 23rd?

 

[SSJ2]

Yuge.

22nd Roshi = 23rd Roshi (at best) < 22nd Tenshinhan < 22nd Goku << (<40% Old Daimao) x2.5 -> 100% Old Daimao << Young Daimao (multiple times stronger than Old) ~ 23rd Humans give or take

Fuck I hate doing chains backwards like that.

 

[Pyro]

FUCK.

And yet Roshi is Freeza goon tier a couple decades later. OK.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah, FnF Roshi is around 3K lol!

 

[ahill1]

4) His maximum power as a youngster is probably capable of winning the 22nd Budokai rather easily.

I thought you didn't agree with Prime Roshi >> 22nd Goku

 

[Pyro]

Prime Roshi = Prime Grandpa Gohan > 22nd TB powers.

 

[p123]

No I've thought that Prime Roshi > 22nd Powers for a long time, it's clear in his statement.

The question then becomes Prime Roshi vs Goku who fought Piccolo. I still think it's quite possible for Mutaito, Tsuru and Roshi to be well above that level too. But that's still somewhat debatable.

@KP

I don't think Gohan was around for Roshi's prime. I think it went down differently than that.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

22nd Roshi- 13.5
22nd Tenshinhan- 15
22nd Goku- 16
Prime Roshi- 15
Mutaito- 16.5
Post 22nd Goku- 18

 

[p123]

Roshi being weaker than Match Level Goku smells like bullshit to me. I think that shit has been overhyped. Withheld, never make another pedo comment for the rest of your life or I'll fucking destroy you.

 

[p123]

I'd like to debate the following.

1) People who think Jackie Chun did not show two levels against Krillen. (He did)

2) People who think Match Level Goku could stomp Jackie.

And that's it for now. Let's hone in on Roshi, he's a major key to Dragonball levels and y'all niggas be slacking on your DB game for real!

 

[SSJ2]

Yuge.

22nd Roshi = 23rd Roshi (at best) < 22nd Tenshithands < 22nd Goku << (<40% Old Daimao) x2.5 -> 100% Old Daimao << Young Daimao (multiple times stronger than Old) ~ 23rd Humans give or take

Fuck I hate doing chains backwards like that.

p, how big do you have this gap for my chain? 22nd Roshi to 23rd humans/Young Daimao.

And I don't disagree with either of your two points in your last post.

 

[p123]

Let's do the minimum for now. Let's assume Roshi is 90% of Goku and there is no zenkai after Tambourine. Let's give Young Piccolo Daimao a 1.33x boost and see how that plays out...

Young Piccolo Daimao 200
Old Piccolo Daimao 150
Goku 100
Roshi 90

Damn, that ain't so bad. That is as tight as you could possibly get it. Good to see where our floor is though. You do the ceiling I gotta go to bed. Manyana.

 

[SSJ2]

Can't say I like that at all. ~40% Daimao tore Goku to shreds. He should be 3x stronger than 22nd Goku at the bare minimum.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Roshi being weaker than Match Level Goku smells like bullshit to me. I think that shit has been overhyped. Withheld, never make another pedo comment for the rest of your life or I'll fucking destroy you.

Match Level Goku is 14 in the numbers i gave. Roshi himself admitted being weaker than Match Level Goku. I see no problem to that,
unless you want to give a great gap between Match Level/Battle Level Goku.
As for my pedo comments... i'll PM you.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Can't say I like that at all. ~40% Daimao tore Goku to shreds. He should be 3x stronger than 22nd Goku at the bare minimum.

I have a theory. Old Piccolo was only talking about the effort in his hits when he said ''less than half''. This way, we can have 40%
Old Piccolo at 1.33x Goku, which greatly helps in making a PL list which follows the scouters.

 

[SSJ2]

Can't say I like that at all. ~40% Daimao tore Goku to shreds. He should be 3x stronger than 22nd Goku at the bare minimum.

I have a theory. Old Piccolo was only talking about the effort in his hits when he said ''less than half''. This way, we can have 40%
Old Piccolo at 1.33x Goku, which greatly helps in making a PL list which follows the scouters.

Aside from scouter numbers does Old Damaio being 2.5x Goku really contradict anything? Piano confirms it too.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Let's do the minimum for now. Let's assume Roshi is 90% of Goku and there is no zenkai after Tambourine. Let's give Young Piccolo Daimao a 1.33x boost and see how that plays out...

Young Piccolo Daimao 200
Old Piccolo Daimao 150
Goku 100
Roshi 90

Damn, that ain't so bad. That is as tight as you could possibly get it. Good to see where our floor is though. You do the ceiling I gotta go to bed. Manyana.

I'm the first one who was yelling, ages ago, that KP doesn't need more than 1.5x a boost when he got young, but everyone was whining
about 40% Young>FP Old until they convinced me. So, now what? Have you started seeing the beauty of my old ideas, P123? You? My
second in value? My rival? That's an honor.