RSSJ Broly vs CG SSJ Gohan

[SSJ2]

I'm not pointing out the pixelated part of the image where Goten is 3 pixels tall. I'm talking about the clear silhouette in the background where you can see his hair vividly.

As for the lightning it's never been consistent with Toei.

Go to 30 seconds and watch neither Goku or Vegeta have lightning despite being SSJ2. Goten is clearly shown as a SSJ beside Goku. That looks exactly like what we see in M10.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I'm not pointing out the pixelated part of the image where Goten is 3 pixels tall. I'm talking about the clear silhouette in the background where you can see his hair vividly.

And the silhouette of the rest points towards SSJ, not SSJ2.

As for the lightning it's never been consistent with Toei.

There was literally a movie just beforehand where the big moment was a transformation to SSJ2, Toei clearly telegraphed it in its big moment. Lightning and clearly defined hair. If SSJ2 was a thing, they would have unquestionably made it clear to the audience. The example your showing here has neither. It cannot be assumed to be SSJ2, in fact quite the opposite.

 

[SSJ2]

Here's another example of Toei at work. Goku shows lightning at the beginning and then once or twice throughout the fight. We can still tell that he's SSJ2 without the aura or lightning in this clip. He doesn't have to show it in this very limited time span for it to be true.

And god forbid I use Super in my argument, but Toei didn't use lightning in clear instances where we knew the characters were SSJ2.

At the end of the day I can understand if you disagree. It's obviously not clear cut and Toei has never done a good job of illustrating these things. The promotional poster is what seals the deal for me personally.

 

[SSJ2]

Not to mention it makes more sense from a powerscaling perspective. Regular SSJ Broly is stated to be above SSJ Goku by the film's creator. LSSJ Broly is exponentially above that, and a mere combination beam from 2 strong SSJs and a 1 weak SSJ shouldn't be enough to overcome that.

 

[ahill1]

I don't think Gohan was ssj2 there, in a honesty.

 

[SSJ2]

Gohan is arguable because he was exhausted, not as though that has made a difference in the past. Goku was fresh and had no reason to withhold his maximum power. The fact of the matter is that both of them appear as SSJ2 in the promotional material.

 

[Papasmurf]

Galu could still turn SSJ after having the living shit beaten out of him in M7 when he absorbed that Genki Dama, exhaustion is pretty meaningless in Toei world imo. Let's not forget that in GT episode 63, Vegeta managed to turn SSJ (probably even SSJ2) even after exhausting all his energy in SSJ4 form.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gohan probably wins. Broly only needs to be above CG Goku by a marginal amount at best based on Kaio saying he might be stronger than the Dragon Team, whereas Gohan was ahead by enough he didn't consider his dad to be fighting Cell seriously.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku's reaction to his power didn't make it seem like a minimal difference.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan wasn't rusty in M10 though. Goku was also SSJ2, Gohan might've been as well during the beam struggle.

Goku was not SSjin 2

His SSjin 2 did not exist and his appearance in movie 10 was irrelevant

For the deuces that insist

...Goku is SSjin 2 in movie 10, I think you should see this quote. That's Akira Toriyama on his notes for chapter 458 which was released on February 15th almost a month before movie 10 was released (TOEI knows Toriyama's plans for the future as he likely wrote the script of at least most of...

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[Pakl]

Can someone explain what the argument is?

 

[SSJ2]

What do you mean it didn't exist? Goku displayed SSJ2 against Yakon some 4 months before the movie released.

 

[Pakl]

What do you mean it didn't exist? Goku displayed SSJ2 against Yakon some 4 months before the movie released.

Did you even read what I just posted to you? Goku displayed SSjin 2 vs Yakon exactly 3 months prior to the movie release. Movie villians are as strong as the strongest character shown in the manga 3 months prior to the movie release.

You can see it here

https://dbzeta.net/threads/how-the-movie-releate-to-the-manga-and-the-anime.20128/

Movie 10 Broli is as strong as SSjin 2 Goku. Also it doesn't matter if it's shown in the manga because the movies are based on the anime and they don't go ahead of the anime as stated by Koyama himself.

[Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if theyare all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time.

That alone should tell you the movies can't get ahead of the anime


You can clearly see that all movies contain only what the anime showed at that time despite the manga being pretty far ahead. The production for the movies start 3 months prior to the movies's release. That's why the villian is comparable to the strongest character in who appears three months prior in the manga because what else can TOEI do? Have you ever noticed to my argument over the years?

Also, Goku's appearance was totally irrelevant in movie 10. Goku specifically tells Gohan and Goten that they have to use all the power they have and that there ain't anything else.

The main power that killed Broli was Gohan and Goten. Goku just gave them his supporting SSjin ki It's a similiar thing to Gohan's beam struggle vs Cell. Goku is a a SSjin supporting Gohan in the anime. In the manga he is in his base form. Gohan also says in the anime that he felt Goku giving him his ki.

However the main power that killed Cell was Gohan. Same thing.

If you want me to explain in the depth about how the movies connect to the anime and manga, I would gladly do it but I don't like that it's being ignored. I was actually studying the subject for years and I can answer all your questions but it has to be taken seriously. Your question of how SSjin 2 Goku did not exist if he was using it vs Yakon in the manga is a clear indication it's been ignored by you.

 

[SSJ2]

I'll get back to you later. I wasn't ignoring your post.

 

[Pakl]

I'll get back to you later. I wasn't ignoring your post.

It's ok. I am not talking about my particular post now but over the years. After all, you yourself once said that you are the only one who did not read my "long ass thread".

Well this thread I was posting years ago is absolutely nothing compared to what I know nowadays. I even opened a thread here but it was ignored.

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[SSJ2]

Yes, I did say that. I read your analysis many years ago, several times at that.

 

[Pakl]

Yes, I did say that. I read your analysis many years ago, several times at that.

How is that if you said you did not? And again, it's nothing compared to the info I have nowadays. Well, I can prove my points one by one. As you know I was planning on making a video explaining the movies but due to copyrights and such, it's been postponed.

 

[SSJ2]

I mean I read your former ones that were of similar length.

 

[Pakl]

I mean I read your former ones that were of similar length.

Ok. I will be waiting for you to get back as you said.

 

[SSJ2]

@Pakl before I get into your larger post, explain something for me.

For the deuces that insist

...Goku is SSjin 2 in movie 10, I think you should see this quote. That's Akira Toriyama on his notes for chapter 458 which was released on February 15th almost a month before movie 10 was released (TOEI knows Toriyama's plans for the future as he likely wrote the script of at least most of...

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In this thread, how is this proving that Goku cannot be SSJ2 in M10? You say that Toei was handcuffed because Goku's forms weren't revealed yet, but that's just not true. As I said before, it was established that he surpassed Super Saiyan against Yakon which was in 1993. That was some 4 months before the film released. Where is this set rule that the films can only follow the anime come from? The film is established to be set in the Boo arc, and in the Boo arc Goku was already shown to be a SSJ2.

Movie 4 is a perfect example of the films going ahead of the anime or manga. Goku was shown to be a Super Saiyan despite it not appearing in any medium at the time of the film's release. That alone proves that there isn't a consistent rule where the film cannot go ahead of the anime/manga.