Saiyan-Saga Vegetto vs SSJ Trunks (Arrival)

[SSJ2]

Yeah. Although that seems to have changed in DB-Super, regarding Vegetto & Gogeta. Or maybe it's because they're rivals now.

This Vegetto without any Kaio-Ken or anything should at-least be >>> Kaio-Ken x4 Goku and Oozaru Vegeta which doesn't say much.

Super is not relevant.

 

[Flame]

Trunks takes it

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So based on the fusion rules, would you guys agree with that?

Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta > Base Gogeta > SSJ3 Goku?

Well, that's assuming there's any solid rules for fusion, which doesn't seem to be the case. For what Super's worth, Base Vegetto would still be likely below PSSB Goku/Vegeta and definitely below SSBE Vegeta, and I highly doubt them fusing after achieving said forms would automatically make Base Vegetto a hell of a lot stronger. There's also GT in which Vegeta states that they'd beat Super Yi Xing Long as a SS4 fusion, implying SS3 and lower would be incapable of doing the job and placing Base Gogeta below Beyond Limits SS4 Goku/Vegeta would be a big stretch when Yi Xing Long only states his transformation was over a ten times increase.

Even assuming this base fusion > strongest unfused form is a thing for the original manga, I wouldn't say that'd make Base Vegetto > SS3 Gogeta when Vegetto's a different method of fusion, not a fusion of Gogeta. As far as actual evidence for Base Vegetto > SS3 Gogeta, there's Gohan Boo's surprise at sensing Base Vegetto and the anime statement of Galu saying that Metamoran fusion wouldn't be enough, suggesting Base Vegetto surpassed both their estimations. That was without factoring in the rival boost, however, of which I wouldn't say Gogeta should be exempt from when Elder Kaioshin suggested it to be something to do with Goku and Vegeta's fusion in general rather than the Potara.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Didn't DBGT also say Super #17 was 2x as high as Android #17?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also I think it's fair to say unlocking forms'd make the fusion higher. The fusees base might remain the same but I think fusion takes into account their full-power.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So based on the fusion rules, would you guys agree with that?

Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta > Base Gogeta > SSJ3 Goku?

Well, that's assuming there's any solid rules for fusion, which doesn't seem to be the case. For what Super's worth, Base Vegetto would still be likely below PSSB Goku/Vegeta and definitely below SSBE Vegeta, and I highly doubt them fusing after achieving said forms would automatically make Base Vegetto a hell of a lot stronger. There's also GT in which Vegeta states that they'd beat Super Yi Xing Long as a SS4 fusion, implying SS3 and lower would be incapable of doing the job and placing Base Gogeta below Beyond Limits SS4 Goku/Vegeta would be a big stretch when Yi Xing Long only states his transformation was over a ten times increase.

Even assuming this base fusion > strongest unfused form is a thing for the original manga, I wouldn't say that'd make Base Vegetto > SS3 Gogeta when Vegetto's a different method of fusion, not a fusion of Gogeta. As far as actual evidence for Base Vegetto > SS3 Gogeta, there's Gohan Boo's surprise at sensing Base Vegetto and the anime statement of Galu saying that Metamoran fusion wouldn't be enough, suggesting Base Vegetto surpassed both their estimations. That was without factoring in the rival boost, however, of which I wouldn't say Gogeta should be exempt from when Elder Kaioshin suggested it to be something to do with Goku and Vegeta's fusion in general rather than the Potara.

When did Goku said that? Because iirc, Goku said fusion is the only way to beat Boo.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Goku and Vegeta are flat out too weak to produce a strong Vegetto. Vegetto gets annihilated.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

When did Goku said that? Because iirc, Goku said fusion is the only way to beat Boo.

Pretty sure in the anime, he said it after Gohan Boo beat he and Vegeta up and when he was persuading Vegeta to use Potara, saying something along the lines of "There ain't no other way to beat him." That would suggest Metamoran fusion wouldn't be enough either since even considering Boo not giving them enough time for the dance, that's not entirely out of the realm of possibility when he already gave them enough time for a fairly long conversation.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

When did Goku said that? Because iirc, Goku said fusion is the only way to beat Boo.

Pretty sure in the anime, he said it after Gohan Boo beat he and Vegeta up and when he was persuading Vegeta to use Potara, saying something along the lines of "There ain't no other way to beat him." That would suggest Metamoran fusion wouldn't be enough either since even considering Boo not giving them enough time for the dance, that's not entirely out of the realm of possibility when he already gave them enough time for a fairly long conversation.

That was because Metamorian fusion was dismissed by Elder Kaioshin and Goku agreed with that too not because it's weak but wouldn't get a chance to perform it especially with Vegeta and Gohan not knowing how to perform to fusion and they don't have time too. Why use Metamorian fusion if you can just use another type of fusion where it's easy to use and provide a greater boost?

As for Boo letting them talk, it's just him being cocky and probably expected the fusion to be weaker than him but we know that even Elder Kaioshin didn't expected Vegito to humiliated Boo easily because of the Potara but Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's easy to say but at the time it was thought Potara was permanent so that was definitely something that'd be weighing in their thoughts/decisions, I'd think

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku already thought of that earlier and agreed that Potara was the only best way to beat Boo. If it would take joining bodies with someone to save the entire world then Goku would risk it no problem. This is the same guy who actually considered on joining a body with Mr. Satan lol.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I meant Vegeta. Goku could probably be easier convinced.