Sick Goku's power

[p123]

Sure. That's be enough to do it. Think about Vegeta and Gohan taking on a serious Reecome. Reecome had no fear at all in taking them on. Reecome toyed with Vegeta. If Reecome went all out like Trunks did, he could easily have killed King Cold and Freeza very quickly. Trunks already showed the way he would choose to get rid of Freeza and that was by taking advantage of him not being able to sense ki, he went this route even though he was ridiculously stronger at this point.

Think about Dodoria and KKx2 Goku fighting Vegeta. I could see Vegeta being confident about that and having no issues with that fight. Don't you?

 

[Victorious]

It would be more like Recoome [BP 40,000] vs 30,000 Vegeta, and 24,000 initial Namek Vegeta.

I think Cold can be 85% as strong as organic Freeza, and maybe 80% as strong as Mecha Freeza. I don't think Freeza would one shot Cold or anything.

But anyway, yes 75% works. My numbers show 66% but that's just because of progression and where Future Gohan would be. Future Gohan 2 arms should also be stronger than Mecha Freeza IMO.

 

[p123]

King Cold ~ Cyborg Freeza Suppressed

This level is stated to be much, much weaker than 100% Organic Freeza. The best place for King Cold is 100 million, or right around Freeza's 70% on Namek.

Trunks 200+
Cyborg Freeza 160
King Cold 100

There's no logic for Future Gohan being stronger than Mecha Freeza at all.

75% is certainly sufficient enough for Trunks to be that confident. Hell 80% is as well. Check this out...


Vegeta 24,000
Dodoria 20,000
Goku (Healed from Injuries from Vegeta) 12,000

Let's say Dodoria was suppressed down to Goku's level, you think Vegeta would be scared to tell Dodoria to go full power and take him and Goku on at the same time? I think Vegeta wouldn't give a damn and would tell them to. An 80% gap is tremendous and someone who is half his power won't do shit to Vegeta.

I think Trunks can be in this same boat. He knows how he's going to finish Freeza anyway. He's going to do the same move he did in the story. I think Vegeta can cut Dodoria in half and decimate Goku in seconds as well. You really don't?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

King Cold ~ Cyborg Freeza Suppressed

This level is stated to be much, much weaker than 100% Organic Freeza. The best place for King Cold is 100 million, or right around Freeza's 70% on Namek.

Trunks 200+
Cyborg Freeza 160
King Cold 100

There's no logic for Future Gohan being stronger than Mecha Freeza at all.

75% is certainly sufficient enough for Trunks to be that confident. Hell 80% is as well. Check this out...


Vegeta 24,000
Dodoria 20,000
Goku (Healed from Injuries from Vegeta) 12,000

Let's say Dodoria was suppressed down to Goku's level, you think Vegeta would be scared to tell Dodoria to go full power and take him and Goku on at the same time? I think Vegeta wouldn't give a damn and would tell them to. An 80% gap is tremendous and someone who is half his power won't do shit to Vegeta.

I think Trunks can be in this same boat. He knows how he's going to finish Freeza anyway. He's going to do the same move he did in the story. I think Vegeta can cut Dodoria in half and decimate Goku in seconds as well. You really don't?

Trunks held off Cold's sword attack with one arm, without exerting much effort, whereas Cold was using both arms. That's why i think
he's at least 3x Cold, which makes him 1.5x Mecha Freeza.

 

[p123]

3x isn't necessary to do that. There's plenty of fights performing similar feats with a smaller gap.

 

[Victorious]

No there's no hard evidence about Future Gohan's power. So it's 50/50 guess. But I makes more sense to me that the Androids are beating powers that can beat Freeza. If the Androids are fighting powers that even Freeza can beat then then that's not all that big a deal in them beating SSJs from the Future.

 

[p123]

Sure, but the power chain should come first. I've thought like that before, but I find the integrity of the story line to be much more important. The powers are close enough to what you are saying but bearing that this segment didn't even make it to the manga, I feel there is more free reign here.

I got Gohan vs Future 17 looking like Cyborg vs Organic Freeza. And then 1 arm Gohan capable of easily outclassing Cyborg Freeza. What better way for Trunks to learn this level of power than having a common enemy display it?

To me, it's more important to keep Yardrat Goku tight than anything. I don't think that future saga is much to speak of but it's open for interpretation for sure. You can go a lot of ways with it. But it's all up to personal preference.

 

[ahill1]

Mecha Freeza Saga

Cyborg Freeza 160,000,000

Future Trunks 4,000,000
--> SSJ 200,000,000
Son Goku 4,400,000
--> SSJ 220,000,000

Androids Saga

Yamcha 9,000,000
Tenshinhan 24,000,000
Kuririn 25,000,000
Son Gohan 27,000,000
Piccolo (suppressed) 29,000,000

Android #19 (pre) 180,000,000
--> post KMHMH 218,000,000
--> post base Goku 220,000,000

Android #20 (pre) 200,000,000
--> post Yamcha 209,000,000
--> post blast 221,000,000
--> post Piccolo 249,000,000

Piccolo (less suppressed) 90,000,000
--> full power 290,000,000

Future Trunks 31,500,000
--> SSJ 315,000,000

Son Goku 33,000,000
--> 330,000,000

Vegeta 34,000,000
--> SSJ 340,000,000

Android #18 450,000,000

Android #17 500,000,000


All fits up pretty smoothly. It also follows the "Gero + supp. Piccolo and earthlings --> able to defeat Vegeta" line of thought. The earthlings are somewhat relevant to base Vegeta. I'd say that Piccolo expected the androids to be at around 270,000,000 so whilst he expected himself to be able to defeat one of them, it seems the fight was easier than he expected, hence his question at the end. What seems to be a headache is that he was considering both androids in his statement, whereas he should be talking about just one of them. Still, I'd chalck that up to them generally grouping up the androids together.

 

[p123]

Gohan + Tien + Krillen should equal suppressed Piccolo. You have them too strong.

 

[p123]

You should check out my list, I think it's the best one I ever did. Super smooth and clean. It was like magic coming all together last night, I couldn't believe it. First time ever I went straight through and it all clicked. Best one yet for sure.

 

[GSM123]

Gohan + Tien + Krillin should equal suppressed Piccolo. You have them too strong.

Not really. All we know is that either way #20 will beat what he expects of Vegeta. Doesn't mean they're equals.

 

[p123]

They should be somewhere in the vicinity of each other. If anyone is stronger Piccolo should be over the combined group.
If you work out the math, the statement doesnt make sense if the humans in total add up to way more. He wouldn't need to absorb all of them thus making your estimate wrong

 

[GSM123]

That's true. Gero wouldn't say he needs all of them if the trio together was > Piccolo.

Damn, this makes things pretty tight now. You would need Piccolo to be like 90% of Vegeta to make it work. Either that or low SSJ to like 5x or lower, what i really not willing to do.

 

[p123]

It won't even work with a 2.5x boost. Don't worry about making it work, it can't, his calculations can't handle this power. He should be and to read the lower Powers accurately though. All that's needed is humans ~suppressed Piccolo, everything else is contradicted.

Feel free to look at mine. I made them fit very nicely. Remember, there humans and Gohan shouldn't be sniffing piccolos power, remember the advantage he had just three years ago.

 

[p123]

Also... Should be like this...

20 Post > Goku Sick >19 Post > Goku Tired > 19 Pre

 

[withheldforprivacy]

3x isn't necessary to do that. There's plenty of fights performing similar feats with a smaller gap.

No, there are not.

 

[ahill1]

Gohan + Tien + Krillin should equal suppressed Piccolo. You have them too strong.

It's possible that Piccolo gradually became less suppressed (when Gero did that statement) as to not get caught off guard again. That's why I have also a level for [less suppressed] Piccolo -- 90,000,000.

 

[p123]

Conjecture. It's never suggested or stated.

Piccolo applies his power in bursts.

 

[ahill1]

Conjecture. It's never suggested or stated.

Piccolo applies his power in bursts.

Piccolo at least wasn't weighted when Gero did that statement, so the reading Gero got of Piccolo should be considerably above there.

The conjecture lies on Piccolo being THAT powered up, but considering Gero's statement can't work with Piccolo's power being still below the base Saiyajins (which is where his [suppressed and with cape] power is implied to be), I like assuming Piccolo also became less suppressed there as a way to work out Gero's stament more smoothly. Either that, or I could have a 2x multiplier for SSJ, which isn't wrong, but meh... AT's interview implies he at least took a 10x boost into account when drawing imo.

 

[Victorious]

Sure, but the power chain should come first. I've thought like that before, but I find the integrity of the story line to be much more important. The powers are close enough to what you are saying but bearing that this segment didn't even make it to the manga, I feel there is more free reign here.

I got Gohan vs Future 17 looking like Cyborg vs Organic Freeza. And then 1 arm Gohan capable of easily outclassing Cyborg Freeza. What better way for Trunks to learn this level of power than having a common enemy display it?

To me, it's more important to keep Yardrat Goku tight than anything. I don't think that future saga is much to speak of but it's open for interpretation for sure. You can go a lot of ways with it. But it's all up to personal preference.

What power chain are u talking about? Anyway Freeza a ain't beating any version of Future Gohan IMO. I don't see how SSJ Future Gohan losing to Mecha Free a was ever integral to the story.