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Considering both of them rebel against Zalem in their own way, it was probably an active choice on both their parts to disconnect themselves from Zalem's ideology by negating the modifications. It's not as though it'd obstruct Nova's plans, considering how casually he jumps from one body to a backup all the time.
 

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Having one character point out this inconsistency doesn't really help without a proper rationale being given

Also, forgot to mention it has the most cringey line in the MCU with the use of the "What are thooooose?!" meme :facepalm.

It's actually more than one, since that's the entire point of the movie.

That's some top tier non-fighting siblings banter okay, and the man just wanted to go old school for his first day :ladd

Also, I have seen a pretty interesting interpretations that says the sandals he use represents how he tried to do things his father and the elders did, and it failed. I mean the sandals still slap and Shuri is clearly delusional, but he also promises to live up to his father's promise of killing Klaw and failed miserably.

I rate Captain Marvel so low primarily for how it ruins the MCU's continuity. Leaving aside how Cap's status as the "First Avenger" is made sketchy by it, it outright contradicts Nick Fury's statement in the first Avengers film that discovering Thor and Loki made it apparent "We weren't alone in the universe, and are severely outmatched." It also ruins the implications from The Winter Soldier of Fury losing his eye due to some deep betrayal...as opposed to just being careless with an alien cat thing. The other big problem with it is how poor Carol's character is handled, going through an amnesia plot throughout most of the film, relying on power she didn't earn all the way after the first act and the climax of the film involving her just realising "hurr durr I'm a strong wahmen" without any real character development to the point she's almost as much of a Mary Sue as Rey.

Steve was killing Nazis when Carol's parents were probably infants, so he sort of still was the first avenger. Wouldn't have hurt to have Fury be a WWII veteran like in the comics though... The real continuity breaker is why the fuck did the Kree never come back? Ronan promised they would come back. While it's not clear when exactly he went rogue, Earth still had the tesseract for decades.

But yup, she's incredibly bland and overpowered, clearly deserving of the term Mary-Sue, unlike a certain Skywalker... :troll

Hopefully she'll be more interesting in Captain Marvel 2 since the bland personally might have been because of her memory loss. Not that anybody will care about Brie Larson when Teyonah Parris' Monica Rambeau (aka the REAL female Captain Marvel) will clearly steal the show.

For a more thorough breakdown of the problems in the film there's this video (since covering all of them would lead to a :autism tier post):

[youtube]Keooxe5x6Ts[/youtube]

Dude, MauLer is the :autism of film youtube. This is the same dude that did a 9 hours review of The Force Awakens :cena
 

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But yup, she's incredibly bland and overpowered, clearly deserving of the term Mary-Sue, unlike a certain Skywalker... :troll
Agreed. Anakin and Luke aren't Mary-Sues at all :troll2.

Dude, MauLer is the :autism of film youtube. This is the same dude that did a 9 hours review of The Force Awakens :cena
The GOAT analysis of it that showcases how fundamentally broken it was :panties.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Considering both of them rebel against Zalem in their own way, it was probably an active choice on both their parts to disconnect themselves from Zalem's ideology by negating the modifications. It's not as though it'd obstruct Nova's plans, considering how casually he jumps from one body to a backup all the time.
Ido looks the exact same years after his death against Zapan in both the last arcs of original Alita and Last Order though, even though he erased all his memories and would not remember a thing about Zalem.
 

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What are the most important aspects a good character should have in your opinion?
 

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Ido looks the exact same years after his death against Zapan in both the last arcs of original Alita and Last Order though, even though he erased all his memories and would not remember a thing about Zalem.
Considering that was after Nova had resurrected him, this was most likely some manipulation :)autism) on his part in order to resurrect him in the first place, seeing as how the only viable way in which he could do so was via the brain chip.

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What are the most important aspects a good character should have in your opinion?
For the most broad answer, the main one would be internal consistency. That's not to say their actions can't be inconsistent or hypocritical, but understanding the rationale behind them is important to keep the audience engaged. Next would be depth/complexity as a character with more to them than can be seen from their surface level actions will stand out a lot more than one that just seems overly archetypical or one-dimensional, though is less important than consistency as a a simple idea executed well is better than a convoluted mess. Thirdly, there'd be their narrative importance in how they drive both the plot and its themes, the importance of which can sometimes be more important than the others if the story is more plot/concept-driven as even a more simplistic supporting character can stand out well if they're used competently as a narrative tool.
 

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Kenshi said:
Ido looks the exact same years after his death against Zapan in both the last arcs of original Alita and Last Order though, even though he erased all his memories and would not remember a thing about Zalem.
Considering that was after Nova had resurrected him, this was most likely some manipulation :)autism) on his part in order to resurrect him in the first place, seeing as how the only viable way in which he could do so was via the brain chip.

But how do you figure Ido managed to undo the modifications that Zalem performed on him during his rite of passage as an adult Zalemite? He's a cybernetics doctor and not an expert on human aging, plus he wasn't the least bit aware of some of the modifications that were performed on him such as the removal of his brain.
 

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But how do you figure Ido managed to undo the modifications that Zalem performed on him during his rite of passage as an adult Zalemite? He's a cybernetics doctor and not an expert on human aging, plus he wasn't the least bit aware of some of the modifications that were performed on him such as the removal of his brain.
Good point. The best explanation would probably be that the origins of the modifications being through cybernetic implants allowed him to accidentally stumble across this function and use his expertise to negate it.

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Who is the best MCU villain and why is it Zemo?
Zemo's good, but Thanos is still the GOAT, even with his less interesting motivations in Endgame.

But yeah, Zemo's still a worth #2 with his sympathetic motivations and his plan to have the Avengers destroy themselves being far more unique and realistic than the one-dimensional motivations most MCU villains have, as well as how his presence as a regular human further ties in to Civil War's focus on showing the social ramifications of superheroes running wild.
 

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Honestly it just seems like the author making things up as he goes along. You can rationalize Nova managing to reproduce and have Den-sama Kaos on the surface as him making his balls not inert anymore and you could argue Nova allowed himself to age, but that in of itself would be out of character for him when he wants to live as long as possible to uncover the secret to human karma and I highly doubt the author had all of the specifics of Zalem and its dictatorship over its citizens planned out in chapter 1. Ido being Alita's father figure would've been harder to swallow if he looked 21, so I think that's the reason behind why he's almost middle aged (and not just in terms of design convenience, seeing as after Nova revived him he said his body "felt younger" which implies it's past its prime).
 

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Iron Man does a good job at establishing and developing Tony Stark as a character as well as making it apparent how Iron Man stands out compared to many superheroes with the morally grey actions of being part of weapons manufacturing and trying to turn this around after experiencing the consequences of his weapons and the corruption within his company, which makes his technology being turned on himself a strong choice for the climax. It's overall a solid superhero film and character study where the main flaws holding it back from being top tier in the MCU are Obadiah's underdeveloped motivations and Tony and Pepper's survival at the end being very plot armoured.
As for The Avengers, it's slightly elevated above average through some good character interactions and doing a decent job making all the building blocks it had set up work mostly cohesively in allowing for the catalyst to their long spanning saga to fully commence. What prevents it from being any better is some of the inconsistencies with Thor. The link between Earth and Asgard was destroyed in the first Thor film and Avengers provides very little in plugging the plot hole of how that's not the case anymore. Loki's character is also a fair bit inconsistent from his previous portrayal, having gone from a sympathetic yet misguided antagonist to a very one-dimensional villain (despite still being charismatic). As far as narrative threads go, a team trying to stop a group of space monsters without any real emotional or thematic connection between them also makes it lacking as a finale by comparison to most others in the MCU, making it apparent how much of a "pilot" for the Avengers it is rather than its own story arc in a sense.
 

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What kind of retarded 180 do you expect :p123 to pull when he next returns? :manabu
 

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Probably depends on how Biden's presidency has affected him so far. If poorly (which is most likely), he'll probably have gone back to his pre-liberal phase ideas. If he's benefitted from recent events, I'm guessing he'll just be leaning even further to the left than before (at which point we can expect even more insane SJW hypocrisy than his "white people killed off the smart blacks" line :ladd).
 

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I hope he's grown thick enough skin to laugh along with us to the legendary bitch nigger memes, but knowing him he's probably just gonna go off the deep end. Remember when he called me a crazy person? The fucking irony.... :manabu2 :ha :ha
 

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Reminder that this is the same guy who once called me a "fucking nigger" before saying "you're not even black" without a minute between the two sentences just because of my :CC avatar :cena.
 

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Yep. And also the same dude who, after being outdone and outsmarted in every point of contention in his futile defense of AA to me, resorted to arguing that black people are born stupid because of selective breeding - only to then go on to say I didn't have "empathy" because I didn't agree with letting :autism off the hook if he were to act out his rape fantasies simply because he's autistic. And then went on to call us all racists just because we were using "nigger" casually despite the fact that I'm on good terms with black users on this site like Keedoudan and Evil Vegeta and respect them as I would any other human being... when he's the one with such overt prejudices toward blacks that he literally thinks they're less intelligent and less capable. God, the irony is so rich it's fucking precious. :ha :ha

I don't know what it is with libtards and arguing for incompetence defenses for (non-Asian) minorities and anyone else who's judged to be "the little guy in the totem pole" but every libtard I've ever met seems to have that problem. You can just look at every liberal defense of degenerate, law-breaking nudist gay pride parades, BLM, feminism, AA, etc. and see that tendency clear as day. Almost every liberal I've ever seen seems to have that problem, even though resorting to extremism because of victim mentality would logically be harmful toward a peaceful civil rights cause, if anything.
 

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Do you think Otto doing his huge experiment at his home with little safety measures constitutes a plot hole in Spider-Man 2?
 

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I wouldn't say that in itself constitutes a plot hole when he clearly had confidence and credentials for it to seem safe in theory with the resulting accident being an oversight, though there are many aspects involving the reactor that are plot holes such as how he was able to maintain it whilst running around the city getting resources without a single person seeing him and the fact nobody batted an eyelid on Oscorp giving away what supplies they have on one of the rarest materials on the planet.
Speaking of Spider-Man 2's plot holes, I watched this video recently and the arguments made against the film's writing are very solid, with the reactor plot hole being the tip of the iceburg. I still love the film, but wow, its script is arguably more broken than Spider-Man 3's :tapion2.
 

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It sounds like the creator of the video managed to GASLIGHT you in just under 2 hours into hating one of your favorite superhero flicks. :autism :autism

I'm too lazy to watch all 90+ minutes of the video for a movie I haven't watched in years, so can you just jot down the bullet points on what points the creator of the video was making?
 

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