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Luffy VS Usopp before the end of the arc ruined it. Didn't really feel much regarding Luffy VS Sanji given Sanji's return was inevitable with how predictable Oda's writing has become.
Since the bandwagon for this has appeared...
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Did you ever watch Battlebots?
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About how you think Mace Windu is retarded for facing Palpatine on his office...
What else could Windu have done? He has no evidence that Palpatine is a Sith Lord other than Anakin's own words and Palpatine can very well twist any evidence to fit his bias. Damn, he can even go as far as mind trick the Senate into believing him. Probably not even Yoda showing the footage of Vader killing Younglings can do any good considering there's no evidence Vader is Palpatine's apprentice.
What else could Windu have done? He has no evidence that Palpatine is a Sith Lord other than Anakin's own words and Palpatine can very well twist any evidence to fit his bias. Damn, he can even go as far as mind trick the Senate into believing him. Probably not even Yoda showing the footage of Vader killing Younglings can do any good considering there's no evidence Vader is Palpatine's apprentice.
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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Mace could have waited for the other Jedi masters such as Yoda to return for back up instead of blindly going in.
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Regurgitating tired tropes such as "Your Muh Nakama!", plot armouring almost everyone and giving the main cast hardly any development.ahill1 said:
Have Anakin go to Palpatine with a fake pledge of allegiance only to have it recorded and used as evidence, before confronting Palpatine in public using the audio. It would both prove Palpatine's guilt and show Anakin as trustworthy, and would be far less likely to turn Anakin to the Dark Side with the lack of immediate threat to Palpatine's life (not to mention Anakin ratting Windu out being hypocritical).GreatSaiyaman123 said:
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The God Of Power Levels tried to destroy your power level list, how does that make you feel?
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Oh, how ashamed I am that I don't waste my time with pretentious overthinking of a concept that even the author made inconsistent from the start and gave little notion of it being more than a plot device. We must all bow down to the man who's spent years perfecting the autistic art of pretentious overthinking on his headcannon opposed to the series and praise him for giving no care for aspects such as plot or character writing in favour of these perfectly honed random numbers.
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What are your overall thoughts on Pre Z Dragon Ball? And Dragon Ball Z?
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I've gone into detail on each arc in the "Rate the Arcs" thread, so I'll be brief in summing up both segments of the series.
Dragon Ball was a decent action/comedy at it's start with a lot of interesting concepts and aspects to make it stand out in it's days. Although the plot wasn't as consistent as other 80s Shonen like Part 1 Hokuto no Ken or as outlandish or pioneering in Shonen tropes as Kinnikuman, it was still good in having more variety in locations than other Shonen of it's day and introducing a lot of cool ideas such as Capsules, one of the only ideas I wish more series would take from it. Many of the characters were interesting, such as Kuririn having an inferiority complex, Roshi having the dual-nature as both a pervert and wise teacher and each cast member being good foils to each other. However, most of the cast are misused when only Goku ends up mattering in the climax of each arc and many cases have him sat on the sidelines, such as the Red Ribbon Arc. The quality of each arc could be quite hit or miss too. Hunt for the Dragon Balls was a good satire of heroic band stories in which it's simplicity can be seen as a virtue due to having no inherent flaws in consistency like the later arcs (other than those which were the results of retcons), the 21st TB was a decent tournament arc that stands out by not having the protagonist win like most similar arcs do and whilst the Red Ribbon and Piccolo Daimao Arcs had many flaws in terms of writing, they did offer some elements I really liked such as Karin's training or Daimao being a villain who wanted humanity to destroy itself. However, the 22nd and 23rd TB were bad arcs due to the former being a pretty big step down compared to the previous tournament in terms of both scale and character consistency, whereas the latter was inconsistent with it's own logic (eg. Goku having no problems hitting Piccolo with the Super Kamehameha when told he can revive him with the Dragon Balls, yet later revealing he knew Kami's death would deactivate them). Overall, I consider Part 1 to be an above average series, but not really one I'd consider to be wholly good on a critical scale. Score-wise, it's a 6/10.
Z is where the quality starts to go downhill for the franchise. Although the Saiyan Arc was decent due to it being a character-driven arc and taking some new twists in regard to the structure such as the climax being a team effort, it still had plenty of inconsistencies with it's own logic such as the humans' gains and the retconning of Piccolo's identity as a demon. After this, each arc is worse than the last, with the focus on characters being lessened as many of the returning cast are made completely irrelevant, reduced to plot devices who do something when it serves the plot or act inconsistent and regress for similar reasons. Some notable examples include Vegeta regressing from his Freeza Arc development in the Cell Arc or Goku being stuck in a single spot until it's time to battle in the Freeza Arc. Internal consistency and writing for power progression also became cheap with things such as Zenkais, even more potential unlocks and an endless amount of transformations. As far as poor plot devices go, the limits of the Dragon Balls constantly changed or were removed and things were made very convenient and contradictive through the use of time travel, as well as information constantly getting retconned such as #19 and #20 in Trunks' timeline or Kaioshin seeing SS2 Gohan. I can at least praise it for not falling apart as most other Shonen in their 2nd part, but it was still a below average segment. 4/10.
As far as bringing the anime into the equation, I actually prefer it for the first series and the Saiyan Arc due to it fixing a few problems I had with the series, regardless of the decrease in pacing, such as a further focus on training between arcs, the Choshinsui being less of a convenient asspull and Gohan having a concise development arc in the anime. For the rest of Z, however, it was a disadvantage overall due to contradictive feats and statements and most other filler offering little new in terms of plot or character expansion beyond perhaps the driving episode.
Dragon Ball was a decent action/comedy at it's start with a lot of interesting concepts and aspects to make it stand out in it's days. Although the plot wasn't as consistent as other 80s Shonen like Part 1 Hokuto no Ken or as outlandish or pioneering in Shonen tropes as Kinnikuman, it was still good in having more variety in locations than other Shonen of it's day and introducing a lot of cool ideas such as Capsules, one of the only ideas I wish more series would take from it. Many of the characters were interesting, such as Kuririn having an inferiority complex, Roshi having the dual-nature as both a pervert and wise teacher and each cast member being good foils to each other. However, most of the cast are misused when only Goku ends up mattering in the climax of each arc and many cases have him sat on the sidelines, such as the Red Ribbon Arc. The quality of each arc could be quite hit or miss too. Hunt for the Dragon Balls was a good satire of heroic band stories in which it's simplicity can be seen as a virtue due to having no inherent flaws in consistency like the later arcs (other than those which were the results of retcons), the 21st TB was a decent tournament arc that stands out by not having the protagonist win like most similar arcs do and whilst the Red Ribbon and Piccolo Daimao Arcs had many flaws in terms of writing, they did offer some elements I really liked such as Karin's training or Daimao being a villain who wanted humanity to destroy itself. However, the 22nd and 23rd TB were bad arcs due to the former being a pretty big step down compared to the previous tournament in terms of both scale and character consistency, whereas the latter was inconsistent with it's own logic (eg. Goku having no problems hitting Piccolo with the Super Kamehameha when told he can revive him with the Dragon Balls, yet later revealing he knew Kami's death would deactivate them). Overall, I consider Part 1 to be an above average series, but not really one I'd consider to be wholly good on a critical scale. Score-wise, it's a 6/10.
Z is where the quality starts to go downhill for the franchise. Although the Saiyan Arc was decent due to it being a character-driven arc and taking some new twists in regard to the structure such as the climax being a team effort, it still had plenty of inconsistencies with it's own logic such as the humans' gains and the retconning of Piccolo's identity as a demon. After this, each arc is worse than the last, with the focus on characters being lessened as many of the returning cast are made completely irrelevant, reduced to plot devices who do something when it serves the plot or act inconsistent and regress for similar reasons. Some notable examples include Vegeta regressing from his Freeza Arc development in the Cell Arc or Goku being stuck in a single spot until it's time to battle in the Freeza Arc. Internal consistency and writing for power progression also became cheap with things such as Zenkais, even more potential unlocks and an endless amount of transformations. As far as poor plot devices go, the limits of the Dragon Balls constantly changed or were removed and things were made very convenient and contradictive through the use of time travel, as well as information constantly getting retconned such as #19 and #20 in Trunks' timeline or Kaioshin seeing SS2 Gohan. I can at least praise it for not falling apart as most other Shonen in their 2nd part, but it was still a below average segment. 4/10.
As far as bringing the anime into the equation, I actually prefer it for the first series and the Saiyan Arc due to it fixing a few problems I had with the series, regardless of the decrease in pacing, such as a further focus on training between arcs, the Choshinsui being less of a convenient asspull and Gohan having a concise development arc in the anime. For the rest of Z, however, it was a disadvantage overall due to contradictive feats and statements and most other filler offering little new in terms of plot or character expansion beyond perhaps the driving episode.
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Yeah. It was better than the past dozen or so chapters we got in a while, seeing as how it shows WCI is over at last and we can move on to more interesting events like the Reverie, though Luffy believing his bounty was 10% of it's full amount and not seeing something as obvious as a comma was dumb.
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The main purpose of that is a ploy from the World Government to turn the other Yonko against him, so yes in a sense. If we're talking about in terms of power and influence, however, then absolutely not.
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Which do you prefer: JP dub Popo or Funimation dub Popo?
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Probably Funi dub since he doesn't talk in an uneducated speech pattern.
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JP dub Goku or Funimation dub Goku?
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Depends at what period. Nozawa was better until around Kai. After that, Schemmel started to become better with age showing in Nozawa's voice. As for Kid Goku, Nozawa >>>> Nadoly.Spiral-Force said:
If we're comparing both in their prime, it's a tough choice, but I'd probably give a slight edge to Nozawa due to her range in tones and important little details she adds to the character such as Goku's lack of education showing in his speech.
Great episodes of South Park. The way in which it displayed Aspergers as allowing one to see the world in a different light and have a more cynical view was fairly accurate when looking at many famous figures diagnosed with it and personal experience, not to mention it did a good job at poking fun of how little continuity the series tends to have.Gin said:
