Six Trails' Battle Powers List

[Six Trails]

Saiyan arc

Son Gokū (Kakarotto)
~ full power: 416
--- Kamehameha: 924
-- weighted: 334
post 5 month Kaio-sama training
~ full power: 8,000+
~ Kaioken x2: 16,000+
~ Kaioken x3: 24,000+
---+ Kamehameha: 27,000+
~ Kaioken x4: 32,000+
---+ Kamehameha: 36,000+

Piccolo
~ full power: 408
--- 1st Makankōsappō: 1,330
--- 2nd Makankōsappō: 1,280
-- weighted: 322
post Raditz fight
~ full power: 417
-- weighted: 329
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 2,000
-- suppressed: 1,220

Son Gohan
~ full power: 1
-- distressed: 710
-- enraged: 1,307
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,307
-- suppressed: 981
-- enraged: 2,400
---+ Masenkō: 2,800
~ Great Ape: 13,070

Raditz
~ full power: 1,250

Muten-Roshi
~ full power: 139

Chaozu
~ full power: 151
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 800
--- Self-Destruct: 1,600

Yamcha
~ full power: 177
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,350
--- Kamehameha: 1,500

Kuririn
~ full power: 206
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,440
--- Kienzan: 1,800
-- suppressed: 1,083

Tenshinhan
~ full power: 250
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~ full power: 1,600
--- Kikoho: 2,500

Enma Daio
~ full power: 1,800

Kaio-sama
~ full power: 3,500

Yajirobe
~ full power: 600

Saibaman
~ full power: 1,200

Nappa
~ full power - 7,500

Vegeta
~ full power: 18,000
--- Gyarikku Hō: 27,000+
~ Great Ape: 180,000



Freeza arc

Son Gokū
post 100x gravity training
~ full power: 90,000
~ Kaioken x2: 180,000
~ Kaioken x10: 900,000
post Ginyu zenkai
~ base: 8,000,000
~ Kaioken x20: 160,000,000
---+ Kamehameha: 180,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 400,000,000
--- Kamehameha: 900,000,000


Son Gohan
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~ full power: 1,500
post Guru potential unlock
~ full power: 12,800
post Reacoom fight zenkai
~ full power: 27,000
post Ginyu zenkai / potential unlocked
~ full power: 400,000
-- enraged: 1,000,000
post 2nd form Freeza fight zenkai
~ full power: 900,000
-- enraged: 2,250,000
--- Masenko: 2,500,000

Kuririn
~ full power: 1,600
-- weighted: 1,500
post Guru potential unlock
~ full power: 12,000
post Reacoom fight / vs. Ginyu
~ full power: 25,000
potential fully unlocked
~ full power: 360,000

Vegeta
post Earth battle zenkai
~ full power: 24,000
--- Kitanai Hanabi: 30,000
post Zarbon battle zenkai
~ full power: 30,000
post Reacoom fight zenkai / vs. Jeice
~ full power: 240,000
post Ginyu zenkai / fully rested
~ full power: 500,000
post Dende zenkai
~ full power: 4,000,000
--- Planet Buster: 6,000,000

Piccolo
post training at Kaio-sama's planet
~ full power: 30,000
-- weighted: 24,000
post Nail assimilation
~ full power: 1,800,000
-- weighted: 1,440,000

Nail
~ full power: 42,000

Banan
~ full power: 500

Sui
~ full power: 500

Kiwi
~ full power: 18,000

Orlen
~ full power: 1,500

Appule
~ Appule ("full" power): 2,000
~ Lord Appule (true power): 720,000

Dodoria
~ full power: 20,000

Zarbon
~ Beautiful: 21,600
~ Monster: 28,800

Gurd
~ full power: 10,000

Reacoom
~ full power: 40,000
--- Eraser Gun: 45,000

Jeice
~ full power - 40,000
--- Crusher Ball: 50,000

Butta
~ full power: 40,000

Captain Ginyu
~ full power: 120,000
in Son Gokū's body
~ full power: 23,000

Freeza
~ 1st form: 530,000
~ 2nd form: 1,600,000
~ 3rd form: 2,500,000
~ 4th form: 270,000,000
-- buffed up (100%): 375,000,000
--- Nova Strike: 900,000,000


Cell arc

Son Gokū
post 1 year & 260 days Yardrat training
~ base: 12,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 600,000,000
post 3 years Android training
~ base: 25,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,250,000,000
post Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 1,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 90,000,000,000
--- Shunkan Ido Kamehameha: 225,000,000,000

Son Gohan
post 1 year and 260 days of studying and light training
~ full power: 2,000,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 20,000,000
post Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 2,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 125,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 500,000,000,000
--- Kamehameha: 1,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
post 1 year & 260 days training on Earth and in space
~ full power: 9,000,000
post 3 years Android training
~ base: 26,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,300,000,000
--- Big Bang Attack: 1,600,000,000
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 252,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 12,600,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 2: 21,000,000,000
--- Final Flash: 63,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 3: 52,500,000,000
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 1,250,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 62,500,000,000

Piccolo
post 1 year and 260 days of training on Earth
~ full power: 8,100,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 330,000,000
post re-merge with Kami-sama
~ full power: 2,000,000,000
-- beaten down: 1,600,000,000
--- Gekiretsu Kodan: 4,300,000,000
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ full power: 48,000,000,000
-- weighted: 40,000,000,000

Kuririn
post 1 year and 130 days of light training
~ full power: 1,000,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 12,000,000

Tenshinhan
post 266 days training with Kaio-sama and 1 year training on Earth
~ full power: 300,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 5,000,000

Yamcha
post 136 days training with Kaio-sama and 1 year & 130 days of light training
~ full power: 100,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 2,000,000

Chaozu
post 266 days training with Kaio-sama and 1 year of light training on Earth
~ full power: 20,000
post 3 years Android training
~ full power: 100,000

Future Trunks
age 14
~ base: 200,000
~ Super Saiyan: 10,000,000
age 17
~ base: 10,500,000
~ Super Saiyan: 525,000,000
--- Burning Attack: 600,000,000
post training in the Future
~ base: 24,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,200,000,000
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 240,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 12,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 2: 20,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan Grade 3: 50,000,000,000
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 1,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 60,000,000,000
post 3 years training in the future
~ base: 1,700,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 85,000,000,000
--- Heat Dome Attack: 120,000,000,000

Future Son Gohan
~ base: 7,500,000
~ Super Saiyan: 375,000,000
post arm amputation and 1 year of training
~ base: 10,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 500,000,000

Future Piccolo
time of death
~ full power: 25,000,000

Future Vegeta
time of death
~ full power: 25,000,000

Freeza
post cybernetic enhancement power-up
~ full power: 405,000,000
~ suppressed: 324,000,000
--- Supernova: 400,000,000

King Cold
~ full power: 270,000,000

Artificial Human No. 19
~ max power: 240,000,000
post Kamehameha + Ki absorption
~ max power: 900,000,000

Artificial Human No. 20 (Dr. Gero)
~ max power:
post Yamcha Ki absorption
~ max power: 240,000,000
post BBA and Piccolo Ki absorption
~ max power: 280,000,000

Future No. 17
~ max power: 1,350,000,000 (infinitely)
~ <50% power: 480,000,000 (infinitely)

Future No. 18
~ max power: 1,350,000,000 (infinitely)

Artificial Human No. 17
~ max power: 2,000,000,000 (infinitely)

Artificial Human No. 18
~ max power: 1,750,000,000 (infinitely)

Artificial Human No. 16
~ max power: 7,000,000,000 (infinitely)
--- Hell Flash: 7,000,000,000

Cell
post 4 years evolution / hatching
~ 1st form: 1,600,000,000
--- Kamehameha: 2,250,000,000
post mass humans absorption
~ 1st form: 7,000,000,000
post No. 17 absorption
~ 2nd form: 15,000,000,000
post No. 18 absorption
~ Perfect form: 300,000,000,000
-- Power Weighted against Trunks: 60,000,000,000
-- Power Weighted against Gohan: 450,000,000,000
post No. 18 regurgitation
~ 2nd form: 15,000,000,000
--- Self-Destruct: 150,000,000,000
post self-destruct zenkai
~ Super Perfect: 480,000,000,000
--- Solar Kamehameha: 1,200,000,000,000

Cell Jr.
~ full power: 64,000,000,000

Future Cell
post mass human absorption
~ 1st form: 5,000,000,000


Majin Boo arc

Son Gokū
post 7 years training in the afterlife
~ base: 2,700,000,000
--- Genki Dama: 2,800,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 135,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 540,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 2,700,000,000,000
post 10 years training
~ base: 1,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 50,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 200,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 1,000,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
post 7 years training on Earth
~ base: 2,200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 110,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 440,000,000,000
post Majin power-up
~ base: 2,700,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 135,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 540,000,000,000
--- Final Explosion: 3,000,000,000,000
post 10 years training
~ base: 960,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 48,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 192,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan
post 7 years of inactivity and light TB training
~ base: 1,900,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 95,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 380,000,000,000
post Zeta Sword training
~ base: 3,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 150,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 600,000,000,000
post Elder Kaioshin potential unlock
~ full power: 7,000,000,000,000,000

Son Goten
~ base: 1,650,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 82,500,000,000
post 2 week Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 2,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 100,000,000,000
post 10 years inconsistent training
~ base: 13,800,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 690,000,000,000

Trunks
~ base: 1,750,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 87,500,000,000
--- Suppressed Ki blast: 30,000,000,000
post 2 week Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 2,100,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 105,000,000,000
post 10 years inconsistent training
~ base: 14,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 700,000,000,000

Trunks and Goten Metamoran fusion
Gotenks
~ base: 70,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 3,500,000,000,000
post 1 week Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base: 5,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 250,000,000,000,000
--- Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack: 400,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 1,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 5,000,000,000,000,000
--- Mouth Blast: 6,000,000,000,000,000

Vegeta and Gokū Potara fusion
Vegetto
~ base: 600,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 120,000,000,000,000,000

Hypothetical Vegeta and Gokū Metamoran fusion
Gogeta
~ Base: 40,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 2,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000,000,000

East Kaiōshin
~ full power: 75,000,000,000
post Potara fusion with Kibito
~ full power: 1,000,000,000,000

Kibito
~ full power: 1,000,000,000

Piccolo
post 7 years of light training
~ full power: 50,000,000,000
-- weighted: 40,000,000,000

Kuririn
post 7 years of light training
~ full power: 13,000,000

Pui Pui
~ full power: 1,000,000,000

Yakon
~ full power: 2,400,000,000

Dabra
~ full power: 90,000,000,000

Majin Boo
South Kaioshin & Dai Kaioshin absorbed
~ full power: 2,300,000,000,000
evil released
~ Good Boo: 1,000,000,000,000
~ Pure Evil Boo: 1,300,000,000,000

Evil Boo
Pure Evil Boo eats Good Boo
~ full power: 5,000,000,000,000,000
--- Mouth Blast: 6,000,000,000,000,000
-- initial: 4,000,000,000,000
-- power-up 1 @ Lookout: 5,000,000,000,000
-- power-up 2 vs. SS Gotenks: 300,000,000,000,000
~ Gotenks absorbed: 10,000,000,000,000,000
~ Gohan absorbed: 13,000,000,000,000,000
--- Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack: 21,000,000,000,000,000

Pure Boo
~ South Kaioshin absorbed: 6,000,000,000,000,000
removal of all influence
~ full power: 2,600,000,000,000

Oob
Pure Boo reincarnated
~ full power: 2,600,000,000,000
-- enraged vs. Son Gokū: 1,000,000,000,000


Dragon Ball GT

Son Goku
post 5 years training with Oob
~ base: 600,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 1,500,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 3,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 6,000,000,000,000,000
Baby arc
~ base: 16,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan: 40,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2: 80,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3: 160,000,000,000,000,000
~ Golden Great Ape: 1,600,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 4: 4,000,000,000,000,000,000
Evil Dragons arc
~ Super Saiyan 4 (beyond limits): 16,000,000,000,000,000,000

Oob
post 5 years training with Goku
~ full power: 600,000,000,000,000
post merging with Good Boo
~ full power: 180,000,000,000,000,000

Redjic
~ full power: 205,000,000,000,000

Rild
~ General Rild: 15,000,000,000,000,000
~ Hyper Mega Rild: 25,000,000,000,000,000
~ Metal Rild: 25,000,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
Baby possessed
Vegeta-Baby
~ base: 100,000,000,000,000,000
post Saiyan energy absorption
~ Strongest Form 1: 200,000,000,000,000,000
post Tuffle energy absorption
~ Strongest Form 2: 400,000,000,000,000,000
~ Golden Great Ape: 4,000,000,000,000,000,000
Evil Dragons arc
~ Super Saiyan 4: 15,000,000,000,000,000,000

Freeza
~ full power: 30,000,000,000,000,000

Cell
~ full power: 30,000,000,000,000,000

Yi Xing Long
~ base: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Yi Xing Long: 60,000,000,000,000,000,000

Gogeta
~ base: 5,000,000,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 4: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000

 

[SSJ2]

You think Normal Zarbon was a rival to 24k Vegeta?

 

[ahill1]

You think final form Freeza also increased his power when dealing with Vegeta? Why?

 

[p123]

You've done a good job of being very detailed. I like how you included all of the powers between Goku and Freeza, most get this wrong. However, now you are dealing with the master. Even the good guys can learn from the Great One.

1) Include Krillen's unweighted power on Namek.
2) Initial Freeza > Vegeta Post Zenkai

Look at the sequence again. Vegeta is shitting his pants at Freeza's power until he convinces himself he's a Super Saiyan.

3) Freeza's boost is too much, this is where your error starts to be compounded. Because you had no gap between Initial Freeza and Vegeta, now you are forced to make a large jump in power when Freeza indicates it wasn't all that large. Sure, it's substantial, but Freeza taunts Vegeta and says, "when I raise my speed a little." So, yea... Also... I don't know if you accept this theory, but there's really no reason not to, unless you love chaos.

Freeza Max Base = True Fight vs Goku = Freeza kicking back Vegeta's Final Burst Cannon
Freeza Warm Up vs Goku = Increased his speed a little vs Vegeta =
Freeza Initial = Vegeta shits his pants, "I can see you Freeza" = the Freeza who Goku initially clowns...


That's the easiest bet, which is seems you agree with, however, your gaps between Freeza Initial and Goku Initial seems too large, Goku isn't one shotting him, he's shitting on him.

Vegeta to Ginyu Force 30-36k? You will have to explain that to me...

 

[Victorious]

Man that's gotta be the best battle power format and detail I've ever seen. Truly the product of a beautiful mind.

 

[Victorious]

Ohh yeah didn't I use to put defensive ki amplification in a different color? Like Freeza's Nova strike, and #17's barrier. U should do that too.

 

[Six Trails]

Good job being very detailed? This Nigga stole my battle.power format. But yeah it's cool no hard feelings. I like having the ki blasts in red, and the reasons for power ups in yellow. I'm pedantic like that.

Guilty. Consider it a compliment though. It's very aesthetically pleasing.

@p123 I will get back to your points soon.

 

[p123]

Haha

 

[Victorious]

Damn you've got FP Perfect Cell 40x Semi Cell. Yeah I always had it way ahead too. Don't like the guys that try to nerf it to like 7-10x. Aside from Freeza's 3rd to true form power up it always seemed like one of the biggest villain power ups.

 

[Victorious]

I think Piccolo is closer to Vegeta in the Mecha Freeza saga than 90%. Like 95% to maybe even equal IMO. Man I wish those guys would have clashed there. Piccolo is definitely under rated until the until the Buy saga.

 

[Victorious]

The Freeza saga screws me up on battle powers. I hate Goku's last zenkai being stronger than his Super Saiyan power up. Thinking about just going back to the old Goku being 150 million thing.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Isn't Dabra ~ CG Goku too low for Dabra?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I like that you got around to Gohan and Super Cell being close rivals now. Even-though I think that's too close (I don't really like close gaps even for almost even fights like Piccolo vs #17), but still better than being too far away.

 

[Six Trails]

1) Include Krillin's unweighted power on Namek.

Implemented. Looking at it now it seems weird for Krillin to get stronger than he was against Nappa, as if he got some kind of small zenkai or something. Maybe I should raise his Saiyan arc level?

Initial Freeza > Vegeta Post Zenkai

Look at the sequence again. Vegeta is shitting his pants at Freeza's power until he convinces himself he's a Super Saiyan.

Implemented. I put Vegeta at 88% of Freeza which I think is reasonable. I agree Vegeta seems nervous, but if the gap was any bigger I think it'd just make him delusional. He was also able to see Freeza's blast at Gohan.

3) Freeza's boost is too much, this is where your error starts to be compounded. Because you had no gap between Initial Freeza and Vegeta, now you are forced to make a large jump in power when Freeza indicates it wasn't all that large. Sure, it's substantial, but Freeza taunts Vegeta and says, "when I raise my speed a little." So, yea... Also... I don't know if you accept this theory, but there's really no reason not to, unless you love chaos.

Freeza Max Base = True Fight vs Goku = Freeza kicking back Vegeta's Final Burst Cannon
Freeza Warm Up vs Goku = Increased his speed a little vs Vegeta =
Freeza Initial = Vegeta shits his pants, "I can see you Freeza" = the Freeza who Goku initially clowns...


That's the easiest bet, which is seems you agree with, however, your gaps between Freeza Initial and Goku Initial seems too large, Goku isn't one shotting him, he's shitting on him.

Fixed. I actually like max base Freeza being = to Freeza kicking back Vegeta's blast too. It works out well.

Vegeta to Ginyu Force 30-36k? You will have to explain that to me...

I put them all at 40k now. 36k was something I used to argue but no anymore.

Isn't Dabra ~ CG Goku too low for Dabra?

No.

I like that you got around to Gohan and Super Cell being close rivals now. Even-though I think that's too close (I don't really like close gaps even for almost even fights like Piccolo vs #17), but still better than being too far away.

I believe I always had it like that. I don't think I've ever had Cell lower than 90% of Gohan.

I think Piccolo is closer to Vegeta in the Mecha Freeza saga than 90%. Like 95% to maybe even equal IMO. Man I wish those guys would have clashed there. Piccolo is definitely under rated until the until the Buy saga.

I've argued in the past for Piccolo to be equal to or even slightly stronger than Vegeta there, but everyone seems to disagree, saying "status quo" means Vegeta must still be stronger...

 

[ahill1]

Implemented. Looking at it now it seems weird for Krillin to get stronger than he was against Nappa, as if he got some kind of small zenkai or something. Maybe I should raise his Saiyan arc level?

Well, Kuririn asked Bulma when would the spaceship be ready since he wished to dedicate his freetime to training in the case Vegeta returned to Earth. Besides, he did some mental training with Gohan in the Spaceship, and they were already in their seventh day when it was shown them practicing such, so I think it's reasonable to give [arriving on Namek] Kuririn a boost compared to his [Saiyajins saga] self.

I generally have Saiyajins saga Kuririn at 1,500 and his Namek self at 1,650 or so... a 1.1x boost seems reasonable, and while you could argue his weights should grant him more of a boost, it's worth noting that Kuririn was apparently only wearing a weighted shirt, with his wristbands and boots being casual ones, hence why I don't think taking it off would "grant" the same boost as Goku and Piccolo "received" in the Raditz saga.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, you used to think of that as a 90% or something. Which is also OK. I consider that close enough but some people'd consider it a distant rival. I don't know whether that even matters.

 

[p123]

Very good Mr. Tails. Someone who is super detailed, knows the story and can listen and adapt to logic. Very good.

Vic is wrong on Vegeta vs Piccolo in the Trunks Arc. He's seriously going to complain about the difference between 90 and 95% lol. C'mon now Vic, you know that is all subject to interpretation. That's nitpicking if I've ever seen it. You can make a compelling argument to why you think it's that way, but to act as if he made an error, nah, there's no error there.

 

[ahill1]

So long as Piccolo and Vegeta are significantly stronger than they were on Namek, I am good. I think Vegeta's still significantly stronger here.

 

[p123]

1) Yea, Krillen's weighted shit is annoying. I'm going through the Saiyan Saga now, I'll get to you later. You should come check out my Raditz Arc Discussion when you can. When I finish that, I'll get into the rest of the Saiyan Saga and hopefully we can come up with something decent.

2) Yep. Very good spacing. I usually keep Vegeta in that 87.5-90% range of Freeza for my numbers. I stay within that range. Vegeta is pretty much rivaling, but he's at the end of the rivaling range. I think Vegeta vs 1st Form Freeza is probably an appropriate comparison. Vegeta was much more sure of himself back then because he had back up. Now the powers have advanced too far and they can't help him out at all.
Damn. Now that I mention this... Fuck. This could fuck up my numbers big time if I actually apply it. But fuck it, continue on the path of truth! These damn levels will never ever be perfect god damn...

Ok, so....

Vegeta + Gohan + Krillen > Freeza = 530,000

This is what Vegeta suggests I believe when talking to Freeza about their chances. Hell, it's even possible Vegeta believes they will win against a Transformed Freeza as well is it not? A transformed Freeza expected to power up like Zarbon did. Damn... This shit gets scientific as fuck.

So why bring this up?

Well it doesn't seem implied at all that Piccolo and Gohan can offer any help to Vegeta. Vegeta is all on his own here. Again you ask, how is this relevant?

Perhaps this suggests just how massive Freeza's final transformation is. It's strong enough to make Piccolo and Gohan's combined help completely irrelevant...

I mean, am I reading this right or what? They aren't even an option at this point. Piccolo speaks about Goku and Freeza's power as if they are gods and think about the severity of the situation. It feels like Piccolo and Gohan are deemed helpless and relegated to the sidelines. Man... How about when Freeza is attacking all of them, Vegeta doesn't even think his aid will help because he's in shock is he not? Or does he just want to show off his power?

Sorry to get off into this massive derailment, but, I think it's worth looking into. What do you think?

 

[ahill1]

Significantly stronger than Piccolo, I mean. Vegeta (mecha saga) >> Piccolo.