Six Trails' Battle Powers List

[Victorious]

Yardrat Goku is more like 1.25x Mecha Freeza Trunks..GOku was beyond Trunks' expectations and Trunks was already expecting someone above him.

Goku : 100
Future Trunks : 80

 

[ahill1]

I am satisfied with a 1.1x gap. Yardrat Goku can already basically tool Trunks for what it is. No need to go overblown and have that much more than that. I might increase Yardrat Goku to 230, but that's as far as I would go with him. Yardrat Goku surely isn't a monster to mecha saga Trunks. He is stronger, but I just don't think it's by that much.

As for Piccolo, I agree that he has gotten significantly stronger, but I think he is still considerably weaker than Vegeta I migtht increase him to 2.4M, but I think that's fair.

 

[p123]

Yep I agree.


Actual Goku 100
Expected Goku 90
Trunks 80
Trunks Holding Back 60

That's how it's done. People seem to forget how easily Goku clowns Trunks in their sparring match. He completely shits all over Trunks. I am giving Trunks a healthy 1.33x boost here, which is not even necessary if you ask me, Trunks can easily be a 75 with no issues here. Trunks is way behind Goku.

Sure he's a monster. Go check that damn sparring match. Goku shits all over him! That's a 1.5x gap minimum! How much do you think Trunks is really holding back?

 

[Victorious]

Ill go with
Goku : 100
Expected Goku : 90
Trunks : 80
Trunks holding back : 66

 

[p123]

That's fine.

 

[ahill1]

I think their sparring session is just meant to show how incredible Goku is without even undergoing the three years training regimen. But still that's somewhat doubtfull as a telling for their gap considering Trunks was holding back and not using full effort.

Trunks SSJ (holding back) -- 75
Trunks SSJ (full power) -- 88
Goku SSJ -- 100

 

[p123]

No fucking way dude. 75% gap doesn't allow you to go God Mode. Also, Trunks is still inferior by a good margin.

Goku Actual > Goku Rumors > Trunks > Trunks Holding Back

 

[ahill1]

No fucking way dude. 75% gap doesn't allow you to go God Mode. Also, Trunks is still inferior by a good margin.

Goku Actual > Goku Rumors > Trunks > Trunks Holding Back

I think 75% is high enough for Goku to tool Trunks like he did. Vegeta seemed kind of like a God against Cui as well.

 

[p123]

Show me an example of 75% doing that.

Goku looked like a replica of Goku vs Ginyu, Tao vs Goku and so on.

Vegeta vs Cui is an abnormal fight, no one thinks of that as a 1.33x fight, that's a 1.55x fight to me.

 

[Victorious]

Vegeta chose to dodge Cui's blasts, not tank them. Also Vegeta didn't show he could finger tool Cui. If Vegeta put out a finger and casually countered all of Cui's punches and kicks I think they'd be equivalent.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta chose to dodge Cui's blasts, not tank them. Also Vegeta didn't show he could finger tool Cui. If Vegeta put out a finger and casually countered all of Cui's punches and kicks I think they'd be equivalent.

Dodging something doesn't necessarily mean you can't tank them. #18 also dodged Vegeta's blast that wasn't even his full power, despite her later tanking a blast from a Vegeta that was already serious. A Cell Junior also dodged Kuririn's punch and so on...

But if you insist, I can go with a:

Trunks SSJ (holding back) : 66
Trunks SSJ (full power) : 88
Goku SSJ : 100

 

[p123]

That's possible. But the only issue I would have is Trunks (Holding Back) being anywhere near Freeza. Doesn't make much sense to test Goku with a Freeza like level now.

 

[ahill1]

^ Good point.

 

[Victorious]

Trunks 88 to Goku's 100 seems too close. That's probably how strong he expected Goku to be. 80 is much better

 

[p123]

Agreed.

Goku 100
Expected Goku 88-90
Trunks 80

It's the best.

 

[ahill1]

Trunks 88 to Goku's 100 seems too close. That's probably how strong he expected Goku to be. 80 is much better

It's worth noting that Gohan stated he is wearing a Goku's gi in the hope that would make him about as strong as his father was before dying, which should basically mean that Gohan is still behind Goku (before dying). It's true that Goku didn't die as soon as he arrived from Yardrat, but according to Trunks he passed away not too long after, so Trunks was at least expecting someone stronger than 1 arm Gohan:

But then, Trunks also knew he surpassed one arm Gohan, just not to the point of defeating opponents who were far above Gohan. He was above Gohan, as said by Bulma, but not amazingly so:

Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P14.4, P15.1-2
Trunks: “…I think I’m strong enough to beat the Androids now. We don’t have to go study them in the past!”
Future Bulma: “You’re too naïve. It’s true that you’ve gotten astoundingly strong, but have you forgotten how Gohan was killed 3 years ago? I don’t think you’re that amazingly different than Gohan back then…”

But considering Trunks is already above Gohan, the same Gohan who stated he was hoping to match Goku by wearing his gi, I think it's fair to assume Trunks was expecting Goku to be around his power... but then was surprised to learn Goku was stronger than even that.

Remember that the strength Goku would display in three years of training is what Trunks is clinging on... not the strength Goku displayed just there. Furthermore, Trunks has had SSJ at least since he was 14 years old (so at least for three years), so meeting someone whose time-frame with SSJ is not even two years and finding out that someone is even stronger than him should be amazing on his eyes... Whether that's by a noticeable or huge amount. So my numbers fit really well there imho.

 

[p123]

Considering that Trunks is not really all that different than Gohan and Goku is so different than Gohan is actually wearing his clothes, hoping they would rub off on them, it sounds like quite the difference.

The strength Goku displays right there is what gives him a little hope, Goku is already so powerful as is, with 3 years of training, perhaps they can miraculously pull it off somehow.

 

[ahill1]

Considering that Trunks is not really all that different than Gohan and Goku is so different than Gohan is actually wearing his clothes, hoping they would rub off on them, it sounds like quite the difference.

The strength Goku displays right there is what gives him a little hope, Goku is already so powerful as is, with 3 years of training, perhaps they can miraculously pull it off somehow.

Trunks isn't amazingly different from Gohan. So, even though Trunks is stronger, it isn't by leaps and bounds. That's what the statement means, that he is above Gohan, but not by much. But if he is above Gohan, the same Gohan that was still hoping to catch up to Goku, him expecting to be already around Goku's power has merit, no? Gohan's statament doesn't imply he isn't close tl Goku, just that he hasn't catch up to him yet. He is still below him, and since Trunks surpassed Gohan, being above the expected almighty warrior, who has still to develope his strength, makes sense imo.

 

[p123]

Yep. Trunks is barely stronger than Gohan.

Meanwhile Gohan is Goku's fanboy.

 

[ahill1]

"I made it in hope it would make me as strong as dad... I guess it's not just the clothes"... that is, he is still not as strong as his dad. It's not just the clothes because he is still not as strong as his dad. So if Trunks has surpassed that Gohan, isn't reasonable for him to think that he should equal Goku?