Slug (Youth Restored) vs First Form Freea

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I'm confuse about this 4 months and 6 months thing. I mean what's the difference?

DBZ Movie 4: Super Saiyan Son Goku (Lord Slug) Release Date: March 19, 1991
Manga Release (4 months back): "A Warrior’s Revival" (Nov 19, 1990)
Manga Release (6 months back): "The Last Wish" (Oct 15, 1990)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "The Last Chance! An Extra-Large Genki-Dama" (Mar 18, 1991) Between Episodes: #82 ("Sally Forth, Goku!! A Furious Freeza’s 2nd Transformation") - #83 ("Fear Me!! Freeza Does Battle With a 3rd Transformation")

 

[Lord Brofist]

It's really just to say what was the most recent chapter released back during that time in comparison to the movie's release date.

 

[Pakl]

Slug survived with just a broken arm against SSJ Goku who is at least 4,500,000. Sure he didn't land a hit on SSJ Goku, but he got up like nothing happened.

If Slug was still weaker than 1st Form Freeza, SSJ Goku should've been able to one-shot him effortlessly.

I have the FSSjin multiplier as 25x

it works with FSSjin Goku and the comparasion with Freeza who was at his 3rd form when the movie came because they are implied to be close

Slug got his ass kicked... Goku also never got one shotted... Its best to put the gap between FSSjin Goku and Slug as the same as Slug and Base Goku which would make lug at 450,000 imo

 

[Pakl]

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[Event Horizon]

Slug survived with just a broken arm against SSJ Goku who is at least 4,500,000. Sure he didn't land a hit on SSJ Goku, but he got up like nothing happened.

If Slug was still weaker than 1st Form Freeza, SSJ Goku should've been able to one-shot him effortlessly.

I have the FSSjin multiplier as 25x

it works with FSSjin Goku and the comparasion with Freeza who was at his 3rd form when the movie came because they are implied to be close

Slug got his ass kicked... Goku also never got one shotted... Its best to put the gap between FSSjin Goku and Slug as the same as Slug and Base Goku which would make lug at 450,000 imo

Why? "False" SSJ is just Toei's version of SSJ. Nowhere is it stated nor implied to be weaker than the official SSJ.

 

[Pakl]

Slug survived with just a broken arm against SSJ Goku who is at least 4,500,000. Sure he didn't land a hit on SSJ Goku, but he got up like nothing happened.

If Slug was still weaker than 1st Form Freeza, SSJ Goku should've been able to one-shot him effortlessly.

I have the FSSjin multiplier as 25x

it works with FSSjin Goku and the comparasion with Freeza who was at his 3rd form when the movie came because they are implied to be close

Slug got his ass kicked... Goku also never got one shotted... Its best to put the gap between FSSjin Goku and Slug as the same as Slug and Base Goku which would make lug at 450,000 imo

Why? "False" SSJ is just Toei's version of SSJ. Nowhere is it stated nor implied to be weaker than the official SSJ.

Well, I said why.. Toriyama never even revealed the 50x multiplier..

 

[Lord Brofist]

Slug survived with just a broken arm against SSJ Goku who is at least 4,500,000. Sure he didn't land a hit on SSJ Goku, but he got up like nothing happened.

If Slug was still weaker than 1st Form Freeza, SSJ Goku should've been able to one-shot him effortlessly.

I have the FSSjin multiplier as 25x

it works with FSSjin Goku and the comparasion with Freeza who was at his 3rd form when the movie came because they are implied to be close

Slug got his ass kicked... Goku also never got one shotted... Its best to put the gap between FSSjin Goku and Slug as the same as Slug and Base Goku which would make lug at 450,000 imo

Why? "False" SSJ is just Toei's version of SSJ. Nowhere is it stated nor implied to be weaker than the official SSJ.

Considering the guides state that it took a Kaioken x100 to finally wound Slug (And that still didn't stop him either) the amplification for the SSJ form in Movie 4 would honestly be even higher than normal.

 

[Event Horizon]

I have the FSSjin multiplier as 25x

it works with FSSjin Goku and the comparasion with Freeza who was at his 3rd form when the movie came because they are implied to be close

Slug got his ass kicked... Goku also never got one shotted... Its best to put the gap between FSSjin Goku and Slug as the same as Slug and Base Goku which would make lug at 450,000 imo

Why? "False" SSJ is just Toei's version of SSJ. Nowhere is it stated nor implied to be weaker than the official SSJ.

Considering the guides state that it took a Kaioken x100 to finally wound Slug (And that still didn't stop him either) the amplification for the SSJ form in Movie 4 would honestly be even higher than normal.

How high do you believe it was?

Even when FSSJ Goku landed several hits, Slug got up like nothing happened.

 

[Lord Brofist]

Why? "False" SSJ is just Toei's version of SSJ. Nowhere is it stated nor implied to be weaker than the official SSJ.

Considering the guides state that it took a Kaioken x100 to finally wound Slug (And that still didn't stop him either) the amplification for the SSJ form in Movie 4 would honestly be even higher than normal.

How high do you believe it was?

Even when FSSJ Goku landed several hits, Slug got up like nothing happened.

I'd say no lower than 50x. The movie implies that at worst, Giant Slug rivals False SSJ Goku and at best would be even stronger. So getting something 2x stronger than that would probably wreck Slug the way KK100 Goku did.

 

[Pakl]

So it can be 50x though I also don't think it was Kaioken x100... Guidebooks were never so realistic

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Lord Slug wins.

Pakl is mighty biased against Lord Slug. We aren't even supposed to know he's a Namekian until he takes-off his helmet (even-though it was obvious as fack), his Giant form was like his surprise trump-card. So yes based on new movie-villain > previous movie-villain, Lord Slug wins.

 

[Flame]

Real Super Saiyan>Freezer>False Super Saiyan>Slugger

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Slug wins. Goku clearly states that Slug is stronger than anyone and Goku already sensed First form Freeza when he read Krillin's mind. The fight should be Slug VS 2nd form Freeza IMO.

 

[Flame]

I just realized this was First Form Frieza. I thought this was Final Form Frieza, Lord Slug slaughters horribly.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Base Slug should be > Post Fruit Tullece, who easily beat a power level far above 300k, not to mention Slug beat a much stronger Goku, so I think Slug would win with ease, probably even against Second Form Freeza imo.

 

[Pakl]

Lord Slug wins.

Pakl is mighty biased against Lord Slug. We aren't even supposed to know he's a Namekian until he takes-off his helmet (even-though it was obvious as fack), his Giant form was like his surprise trump-card. So yes based on new movie-villain > previous movie-villain, Lord Slug wins.

I am talking about Slug after he got his youth back... Not giant slug.... Anyway all Slug did was beating 90k Goku... He should be around 1st form Freeza... His giant form ahould be in the low millions... Depending when the movie got revealed... Its posdible he is just a parallel for Nailccolo... Thpugh he might be higher than 3rd gorm Freeza

 

[Pakl]

Base Slug should be > Post Fruit Tullece, who easily beat a power level far above 300k, not to mention Slug beat a much stronger Goku, so I think Slug would win with ease, probably even against Second Form Freeza imo.

Goku didnt use Kaioken vs Slug and he never said Slug was the strongest he had faced but that his ki is different than the others

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Lord Slug wins.

Pakl is mighty biased against Lord Slug. We aren't even supposed to know he's a Namekian until he takes-off his helmet (even-though it was obvious as fack), his Giant form was like his surprise trump-card. So yes based on new movie-villain > previous movie-villain, Lord Slug wins.

I am talking about Slug after he got his youth back... Not giant slug.... Anyway all Slug did was beating 90k Goku... He should be around 1st form Freeza... His giant form ahould be in the low millions... Depending when the movie got revealed... Its posdible he is just a parallel for Nailccolo... Thpugh he might be higher than 3rd gorm Freeza

I know. My point is that we aren't even supposed to know Lord Slug had another power-up up his sleeve. We just believe that his normal young self is his full-power, so Young Lord Slug >> Tullece (post-Fruit) makes sense.

 

[Pakl]

Lord Slug wins.

Pakl is mighty biased against Lord Slug. We aren't even supposed to know he's a Namekian until he takes-off his helmet (even-though it was obvious as fack), his Giant form was like his surprise trump-card. So yes based on new movie-villain > previous movie-villain, Lord Slug wins.

I am talking about Slug after he got his youth back... Not giant slug.... Anyway all Slug did was beating 90k Goku... He should be around 1st form Freeza... His giant form ahould be in the low millions... Depending when the movie got revealed... Its posdible he is just a parallel for Nailccolo... Thpugh he might be higher than 3rd gorm Freeza

I know. My point is that we aren't even supposed to know Lord Slug had another power-up up his sleeve. We just believe that his normal young self is his full-power, so Young Lord Slug >> Tullece (post-Fruit) makes sense.

I don't understand your point

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I am talking about Slug after he got his youth back... Not giant slug.... Anyway all Slug did was beating 90k Goku... He should be around 1st form Freeza... His giant form ahould be in the low millions... Depending when the movie got revealed... Its posdible he is just a parallel for Nailccolo... Thpugh he might be higher than 3rd gorm Freeza

I know. My point is that we aren't even supposed to know Lord Slug had another power-up up his sleeve. We just believe that his normal young self is his full-power, so Young Lord Slug >> Tullece (post-Fruit) makes sense.

I don't understand your point

*half a year later*

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My point is that the viewer isn't even supposed to know Lord Slug is Namekian, let alone has another transformation up his sleeve, until the reveal so we are already supposed to assume Young Lord Slug > Tullece. That's great logic.